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by sdiupIGPWEfh 1581 days ago
> This thread is specifically about Netflix work culture, as reflected in the old slide deck.

This isn't just about Netflix. The over-arching topic is company anti-values. The context has narrowed since then, first to Netflix, then to a specific slide about not measuring people by hours worked, and so on. But for the heck of it, some other quotes from said slide deck:

> We don't measure people by how many hours they work or how much they are in the office

> Actual company values are the behaviors and skills that are valued in fellow employees.

> Honesty Always

> Pro Sports Team Metaphor is Good, but Imperfect

> Internal "cutthroat" or "sink or swim" behavior is rare and not tolerated.

Again, if the expectation for a workplace like that were 60-80 hours a week, and that fact is clearly and openly communicated, fine.

But if you're making those claims while your top performers are the ones putting in undocumented additional hours and pressuring others to do the same, then I insist that is toxic behavior. Yes, even if they don't brag about work/life balance, though I'll consider it even worse if they do.

> So yeah, it seems like we are in agreement :)

All sarcasm aside, no, we're definitely not!

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But if you're making those claims while your top performers are the ones putting in undocumented additional hours and pressuring others to do the same, then I insist that is toxic behavior.

What if your peers actually worked 2 hours a day, and accomplished a lot more than you when you worked 8 hours a day? Would you feel pressured to put in more hours? Would this be toxic?

I'm sorry, but you keep rephrasing this question, I've answered, and I still don't see how the question is relevant.
Sorry, I can't find where you answered it. Quote?

I believe the question is relevant because you seem to equate delivering results with working long hours, and while the two are usually correlated, it might not be the case when talking about star performers. For example, if my peers are all like Jeff Dean in terms of productivity, I would probably feel inadequate. You could even say I would feel pressured into doing more - not by my peers or even my manager - I'd be pressuring myself. This, to me, does not mean the environment is toxic. And that's why I believe the environment at Netflix is not toxic (assuming no other issues).

I'm trying to understand what you mean by "toxic", that's why I keep asking the question.