[sleepingadmin]

>When I was growing up here in the US, to me the Royal Canadian Mounted Police always had an aura of honor. Those days are gone. Civil disobedience in Canada today means you may have your money removed from your account by law enforcement unless you cave and fall in line.

The protesters have been quite public about how well the police have treated them. The police have at least to date done nothing wrong. So I would not go to the extent to say the RCMP's honour has been harmed at all. Those days aren't gone.

However, this is the problem. Since the police have not been able to end the protest because of charter rights. This forced Trudeau's hand to declare martial law, but any and all peaceful protesters whose rights are infringed will be receiving compensation as per the emergency act.

[UI_at_80x24]

>The police have at least to date done nothing wrong.

The complaint this time isn't about the police using unnecessary force to brutalize the public. Our complaint is that they haven't upheld the law, and are acting like 'buddies' with the people that they are supposed to be ticketing/incarcerating.

We just want the police to do their fucking job.

[sleepingadmin]

>The complaint this time isn't about the police using unnecessary force to brutalize the public. Our complaint is that they haven't upheld the law, and are acting like 'buddies' with the people that they are supposed to be ticketing/incarcerating.

What law have they not upheld? Some microscopic municipal bylaws? Can a municipal government create bylaws to criminalize peaceful assembly? I guess I have my answer, the Ottawa police says no.

>We just want the police to do their fucking job.

They have been so far. Great job Ottawa police.

[UI_at_80x24]

>What law have they not upheld? Some microscopic municipal bylaws?

After googling it for 1 second:

Ontario Highway Traffic Act,R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8 at section 132

    132 (1) No motor vehicle shall be driven on a highway at such a slow rate of speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic thereon except when the slow rate of speed is necessary for safe operation having regard to all the circumstances.

There are more violations that apply to the truck drivers then general public too.

[JacobThreeThree]

>This forced Trudeau's hand to declare martial law, but any and all peaceful protesters whose rights are infringed will be receiving compensation as per the emergency act.

He wasn't forced to do anything, it was his choice, against the wishes of many premiers.

Trudeau should have done what he did with the 2020 train blockade protests. Met with the protestors, had a dialogue about the issues (mandates) and come to a compromise conclusion.

[sleepingadmin]

>Trudeau should have done what he did with the 2020 train blockade protests. Met with the protestors, had a dialogue about the issues (mandates) and come to a compromise conclusion.

I totally agree with you there. What happened to the Trudeau who would talk to anyone at town halls.

That's exactly what Melissa Lantsman asked right before Trudeau called her a nazi.

[j_not_j]

RCMP? They have nothing to do with enforcement in the City of Ottawa (local cops), the brief protest at Quebec City (also local cops), two brief weekend protests in Vancouver (local cops), or the multi-day border closure at Windsor (local cops).

The RCMP do have enforcement duties at the Alberta border crossing and BC border crossing, both now open.

Judging RCMP for the inactions of a useless Ottawa city police force is inaccurate and misleading.

[armagon]

> any and all peaceful protesters whose rights are infringed will be receiving compensation as per the emergency act.

Interesting. This is the first I've heard of that.

Discussion starts in Part V / Section 46 at https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/FullText.html

[sleepingadmin]

>Interesting. This is the first I've heard of that.

Gotta remember, Trudeau's father declared martial law during the october crisis. There were literally bombs going off, people dying, and I will say there was an emergency then. However, after that because of human rights abuses during that martial law. They scrapped it and replaced it with the emergency act which explicitly requires the government to maintain human rights.

Moreover, in the act, anything the government seizes must be returned to the people. The government doesn't get to just take your things.

The politicians writing the emergency act knew that future governments exercising the emergency act will infringe upon rights. So compensation is to be expected.

Now you have a problem. Any peaceful protesters can stick around and when they get arrested and removed from the area. They get nice retirement fund boosts from the government. So why would you even consider leaving if you want to leave?

[mmastrac]

The phrase "declare martial law" is 100% misinformation and I wish Americans and/or other interested worldwide observers that do not understand our Emergencies Act that was invoked would stop treating it like so.

[sleepingadmin]

>The phrase "declare martial law" is 100% misinformation and I wish Americans and/or other interested worldwide observers that do not understand our Emergencies Act that was invoked would stop treating it like so.

Woah bud. Here's the act here.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/FullText.html

This is literally the last resort. This is a 'national emergency that cannot be effectively dealt with under any other law of Canada."

Any other law. This is by definition Martial law. Martial law is the last resort. Which is why this has never ever been invoked before.

Just because the ministry of truth doesn't call it martial law is irrelevant.

[mmastrac]

You are clearly biased and there's no possible way we can have a discussion. Enjoy your day.

[sleepingadmin]

>You are clearly biased and there's no possible way we can have a discussion. Enjoy your day.

Sorry you feel that way. Thanks, you enjoy your day as well.

Oh before you go, if you read the link I provided(section 46). The emergency act specifically disallows charter rights to be violated. So the accounts they have seized already? Under Section 6 of the Charter of unreasonable search and seizure? Ya the government will now be paying them compensation for violating their rights.

[mmastrac]

I should have said "agenda" rather than biased, sorry.

I'm very aware of our Charter, thank you very much. I recommend reading section 1 of the charter and understanding what reasonable means in the context of section 8 (not 6 as in your comment) from the Canadian legal perspective.

[sleepingadmin]

>I'm very aware of our Charter, thank you very much. I recommend reading section 1 of the charter and understanding what reasonable means in the context of section 8 (not 6 as in your comment) from the Canadian legal perspective.

You're right, section 8.

There is to date no section 1 limitations or exemptions to peaceful assembly nor search and seizure.

Something that has been quite interesting is how many lawyers are frothing at the mouth right now. The emergencies act is going from academic to case law. Never before and there's clear charter right violations at the same time as the act being misused.

>I should have said "agenda" rather than biased, sorry.

I am very biased. I believe in charter rights that have been enshrined and defined by international treaty.

The reality that after years of covid restrictions impacting our rights. It's time, like the rest of the world, to return our rights. This protest was inevitable at the reasonable end of the pandemic.

Trudeau should have taken advice from his own party and not vilified the protest quite wrongly. Spoke with them, provided a roadmap to the exit. Instead here we are with charter right abuses and martial law

Oh what do you think about the City of Ottawa planning to euthanize pets of the protesters? https://twitter.com/OttawaBylaw/status/1494306645274509316?