[Tiktaalik]

Omicron may be "mild" to healthy, vaccinated people, but it's a serious, deadly health threat to the unvaccinated elderly.

Accordingly places where transmission is likely (eg. a small intimate restaurant) are serious and potentially deadly health risks to the elderly, unvaccinated part of the population.

So long as our hospitals are overwhelmed (as they currently are) it's a very bad idea to open up these high transmission areas to unvaccinated people, as they'll inevitably catch the disease and are so much more likely to end up in the hospital in ICU.

This is why restaurants/bars/etc should continue to have vaccine mandates even though so many people are vaccinated.

The point isn't to coerce the last 10% into getting vaccinated. It's to protect the hospitals from being overwhelmed by new cases from the unvaccinated.

[b112]

This is a strange comment to me.

In all provinces, the elderly were the very first to get vaccinated. First. First to get second vaccinations, and for a long time, the only group allowed to even get a third shot.

There are no unvaccinated elderly people running around, unless they insist on not being vaccinated. In such cases, that's their choice, and no one should take additional precautions for those opting out.

Your last paragraph makes sense, but the rest?!

[Tiktaalik]

There's plenty of unvaccinated elderly getting themselves killed. This article has charts showing deaths/ICU/hospitalized over the last 120 days. The elderly and unvaccinated are particularily impacted. https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-in-alberta-788-weekend-...

> In such cases, that's their choice, and no one should take additional precautions for those opting out.

Yeah it's getting to the point where if stubborn old people want to meet their maker sooner than later, well sure that's their choice and we should let them, but at the moment the hospitals are overwhelmed and this has negative impacts on everyone, as it delays all the other surgeries and other work that the hospital needs to do.

I'm fine with lifting vaccine mandates once hospitals are unlikely to get overwhelmed, but it's not at all clear we're at this point yet.

Going to be very interesting to see what happens in Alberta and Sask over the next little while as they're lifting the vaccine passports.

[absoluteharam]

> A death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified…

notice the probable or confirmed case and know that hospitals (US) are eligible for additional reimbursement with covid “case” patient from a $100 Billion CARES act fund (at minimum)

>Individuals who received at least one dose was calculated as (# of individuals who received at least one dose) / (population estimate).

Deaths are also only attributed to Vaccinated category after 14 days from the second dose, else it’s a “unvaccinated” death.

This is the first vaccine ever where you can die 13 days after a vaccine, and be classified unvaccinated. It’s just magical how “science” to advance “public health” works.

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm... — the source data for the site in the parent post

[thisiswilson]

You've made a lot of claims on this post, but can you cite a source behind your statement of "This is the first vaccine ever where you can die 13 days after a vaccine, and be classified unvaccinated."? It also makes sense, since you've taken a vaccine, but you have not developed the expected antibodies until ~14 days.

[pixelcloud]

This doesn't change anything in terms of hospital capacities here. The surgery backlog is massive, the hospitals are overrun with covid patients. Taking additional precautions is an attempt to try to protect the larger populations access to healthcare.

[Tiktaalik]

yeah politicians don't want people to have healthcare. cuckoo.

Sounds like a nonsense insane tin foil hat theory to me.