[everybodyknows]

> It was is pretty clear who wants war.

No one, among the prime actors, wants war. What they all want is for the other side to back down.

The danger is that this doesn't happen before Putin runs out of non-military options. Doesn't happen before the ground turns to mud, troops get tired of sleeping in tents, fresh blood stocks go stale.

Either Zelenskyy or Biden needs to find his inner adult, and announce that Ukraine won't be joining NATO any time that's on his own watch. Soon.

[robbedpeter]

Russia wants war. They're the ones provoking this. They can just... not attack.

[dragonwriter]

> The danger is that this doesn't happen before Putin runs out of non-military options.

Putin has the non-military option of being the one to back down.

> Either Zelenskyy or Biden needs to find his inner adult, and announce that Ukraine won't be joining NATO any time that's on his own watch.

NATO hasn't even approved admitting Ukraine to the Membership Action Plan; it's pretty clear that they have no near term prospects for membership. What Russia wants is more NATO abandonment of existing members.