[pjmlp]

> We see this also in the Java world. I’m not an expert there, but the move from app servers to things like Spring Boot also show the shift from framework to toolkit.

Having ridden the heyday of Java application servers, I see Kubernetes as LanguageAgnosticEE, just way more complex than dealing with WebSphere or WebLogic ever was.

[p_l]

Arguably its inherent complexity given that it's further toward bare infrastructure from them, just from supporting other languages.