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by ACS_Solver 1589 days ago
I know what you mean, and that's why I disagree with the article's "the content will be gone" point.

I was for a long time involved in running a Civilization series fansite that also dates back to 1998. The site hasn't had much activity for a long time but the old stuff is still there. The forums, which have a lot of quality information, are fully available going back to late 2001, with some of the earlier threads also existing. Static content like user-created scenarios for the games, that's still there. Even if the links are broken (they often are), the files are on the server and recoverable. Recently I helped someone find a bunch of stuff made around the time these communities were first appearing, so late 90s.

That is quality content and it has survived online better than most content on "platforms" and certainly better than content on company-managed official forums. It's something from the early days of the Web, content made and maintained by some people who really the subject at hand, without chasing a profit.

Also, this is tangential to the article's main point, but Reddit isn't like a forum, at all. Forums were built for long-form, long-lasting discussions. A thread where multi-paragraph posts get written as a discussion plays out over multiple days, sometimes weeks, that's normal for a forum because they were built for that. And most forums had better search 20 years ago than Reddit does now because those discussions were meant to be visible for years. Reddit is the complete opposite - in somewhat active subreddits, it's about comment threads that last mere hours. Commenting on something 24 hours old isn't worth it because almost nobody will see the comment.

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I generally agree with you, but I also find that the longer forums go, the harder it becomes to find the truly valuable content. You end up with single threads with hundreds of pages. Even when there is some form of moderation, it is usually a point in time effort and the ephemeral nature of some content makes it hard to tell what's still currently relevant.

IMO, the best system is a combination of a reddit-like feed with up/down voting (limited to proven valuable users) and a wiki that is fed by thorough and up to date content moderation.

And yes, it sucks that so many are relying on a for profit corporate entity like reddit. What if there was a non-profit reddit clone where every sub had designated paid moderation. I would donate to pay for high quality moderation of subs that were valuable to me.

The super-long threads are a matter of forum policy. Some forums have a rule that everything about a single subject goes into one thread, which can then grow to be enormous, other forums encouraged more threads. But even with the hard to read megathreads, I think the downsides were easily compensated by the fact that the information would still be there a year later and even ten years later.

I've never liked voting systems on forums because they elevate popular content to the top, which is not necessarily the same as the best content. One of the major advantages of forums in my opinion is the opposite, that forums are a good place for niche discussions as well. Some obscure technical detail that only a few people are deeply interested in can be discussed well on a forum, better than on a platform with upvotes where it'd fail to get the critical mass of points. And of course sensible moderation is the cornerstone of any good forum.

The best system I've seen in online communities is a forum for discussion and a wiki for reference. For a while there, before most forums died but after the early wave of forums, there were quite a few communities that ran a forum together with a Mediawiki install. I still find it vastly superior even to well-maintained subreddits. Some subreddit communities have good wikis, but they're very feature-limited, and no matter how good a subreddit is the discussions suffer from the platform's focus on fast discussions and a terrible search.