[lordnacho]

Compare and contrast:

> everything that works is called math

> Math is not just anything that works

Can you see how you have read my comment wrong? "An A is a B" is not the same as "A B is and A", you're arguing against something that wasn't claimed.

If you wanted to come up with something sensible to say, you could bring up a theory that is backed up by something that isn't called math.

[asimpletune]

What about "experts"? Like, I would say there are people out there who are valuable because they know how to do stuff. It's not required for them to explain how they do it, and often times it's the case that they can't, otherwise they would simply explain and we'd all be experts. Rather, we need them precisely because the results they deliver are not able to be broken down into a sequence of steps that anyone could follow - since many of them can't explain. So it's something that "works" but isn't math.

I'll add that eventually experts are replaced, but then by that time there are new experts. The problem domain evolves and what used to require experts is replaced with math, and the new experts are working in the area where things can't be math.

Conceptually I think I'm on point for this, but I don't know if my examples are super good. I'd say business, human language, politics, medicine, and art are all examples of things that have experts. In each of these fields that are things that work, but it's not yet backed up by math.

Maybe it's more accurate to say, given an infinite amount of time and intelligence, everything becomes math? And I think that makes sense, but I'm sort of inclined to believing in an objective, yet logistically intractable reality.

[lordnacho]

Sure, tacit knowledge is a real thing that people talk about. But I see expertise as a kind of navigation through murky waters rather than "theory" which tends to be an explicit thing.

One thing experts can do is tell you when a theory is applicable.