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by danielmorozoff 1595 days ago
Having also attended both public and ivy league schools in STEM from undergrad to PhD levels I can say from what I have seen there is a huge lack in mathematics education. This is especially true in the lower undergrad courses where profs see it as a burden to deal with in terms of teaching and the classes devolve into mechanistic / memorization exercises. very few teach students to reason with mathematics mostly prb bc 1 the profs are bad or disinterested teachers or 2 bc the profs have fundamentally other interests and are forced to each elementary classes in subjects they may mot have an affinity for or deep knowledge in- ie functional analysis or prob theory ... Once you get into the later classes math education steeply improves where fundamental questions are investigated and asked. i remember auditing a math physics class with 4 students and a prof al phd students - it was incredible and was totally outside of my area of research.

all this to say i think undergrad math education is poorly designed/ incentivized and run in my experience and leads to a huge loss of talent from the practice and art of mathematics.

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> Having also attended both public and ivy league schools in STEM from undergrad to PhD levels I can say from what I have seen there is a huge lack in mathematics education.

I respect your experience. I want to say, though, that I teach at a small liberal arts college and everyone here puts a great deal of energy into teaching. So there is an alternative.

> leads to a huge loss of talent from the practice and art of mathematics

Yes, it is a terrible thing.

You bring up a valid and important distinction that i have heard before surrounding liberal arts vs research unis. Having attended the latter, I have no personal experience to compare, but have heard much more positive reviews of liberal arts education from those who studied maths there.

Again I believe the incentive structures at teaching universities properly match what students are there to accomplish, whereas at research unis they tend to be muddled.