[realityking]

> Luxembourg and the Netherlands wants me to learn their language, which is not something I would need to work there and in my experience visiting neither to be able to live there. It's not great.

That seems like a very reasonable requirement. How can you expect to participate in society, especially elections, without a decent command of the local language?

[pvarangot]

> How can you expect to participate in society, especially elections, without a decent command of the local language?

By hiring a local accountant and paying a small fortune in taxes? If I learn the language then yeah cool maybe I'll get into their politics thing but it's not that if I don't vote I'm not going to be a productive citizen. A lot of countries let you become a citizen without learning their language, most notably the US.

[realityking]

> By hiring a local accountant and paying a small fortune in taxes? If I learn the language then yeah cool maybe I'll get into their politics thing but it's not that if I don't vote I'm not going to be a productive citizen.

Being a part of society is a lot more than working and paying your taxes.

> A lot of countries let you become a citizen without learning their language, most notably the US.

An English test is required to become a naturalized US citizen. https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/th...

[rendall]

Speaking as a US immigrant to Finland (a Nordic country), the citizenship requirements here seem quite reasonable to me. Minimal language proficiency, a civic knowledge exam, and at least 5 years drama-free residency.