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Oh, I agree we don't have the same lifestyle, but I don't agree that everyone that "might" need a pickup (or an oxyacetylene torch) should own one because they might have a use for it 6 months from now.

Fortunately, we live in a free society where what you "agree" on is irrelevant to the discussion.

Now, if you want to legislate my freedom away, now I do have a problem with that and we will not be friends.

Don't worry, I don't have any desire to legislate your freedom away, I just want you to pay a fair price for it, including environmental costs.

I'm glad you mastered "How-start-a-civil-war 101".

I'm not sure I understand the problem -- you said you need a big truck to provide a service (haul your food, your mail, etc), which is totally fair, we all use things that were hauled around on trucks, you can't build a road by hauling in asphalt on a Prius. So if there's, say, a carbon tax on fuel, when fuel prices go up, everyone that uses fuel to provide service will see higher costs, so the providers will all increase their rates to make up for it. Many transportation providers already charge a fuel surcharge when oil prices go up.

Why would you start a civil war over it?

I'm sure that externalizing environmental costs is attractive, but that just ensures that no one is going to optimize for it.

femiagbabiaka 1583 days ago

The problem is that most farmers in the modern era are completely reliant on a combo of government subsidies and massive amounts of bank debt in order to stay afloat. It's a pretty huge problem and part of why the industry is massively consolidating. Also there are things like being required to license patented seeds, tractor/combine companies prohibiting personal repair of vehicles/equipment.. I don't think medium/small farming as we think of it will exist in a couple decades.

That's the problem, you just repeating the Gospel without understanding the externalities involved in the regulations you advocates for.

Many times, you are not free to set the price of goods, especially in today socialist / regulated economy. Your costs go up, your margins profit go down. There is so much you can squeeze. Heck, DEF sounds nice to save the environment & all, but when your combine three a DEF code and pretty much blew your engine 400 miles from the nearest dealership right during harvest before a storm, goes into limp mode and prevent you from harvesting, you're literally fucked, your all farm might even go bankrupt. Don't even count on insurance to save your ass, because you already had to cut back to focus on other coverage to mitigate skyrocketing fertilizer costs, which doesn't matter anyway because the price you'll sell your production 6 month from now has been set a thousand mile away by a white collar asshole right after his daily jerk off and line of coke. But what a beer sipping urbanite would know of actual hard constraint while at the same time, accusing us of social grand standing. Just GFY.

You pretend yourself smart, but you're not. You sound like Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake". Next thing you know, your head hang on a spike in front of an angry mob.

Can't answer your comment further down so I'm doing it here.

We (my direct family and I to some extend as well) haul your food, your mail, we build the infrastructure and mine the ore you rely on.

Don't fuck with us, because we'll be happy to make you pay. What happening in Canada right now is just the beginning.

Well of course you should make us pay if you're providing a service, no one said you should work for free, what are you even going on about?

If the price of fuel goes up because it includes a carbon tax, then of course the price of whatever service you're providing will go up too.