[zaarn]

The Judenstern as referenced here is specifically the yellow star jews were forced to wear during and just before WW2. That is how they're entirely styled. The rhetoric that is used by people doing this is very much comparing vaccine mandates to the Nazi regime's crimes.

[native_samples]

If German law forbids people from drawing analogies to the Nazis and saying "this is bad, it looks like Nazi-ism and we shouldn't do this" then the law is truly backwards. The whole point of not denying the Holocaust is to learn generalizable lessons from it.

[zaarn]

Again, that is not what is happening here. The antivaxxers and covidiots who are running around with the yellow stars are trivializing or denying the holocaust with their actions.

You are allowed to make analogies and say "this looks bad, looks like Nazi-ism". But putting on the yellow star is way and far above and beyond that, it is claiming your situation is as bad as the people in those camps. So unless Antivaxxers/Covidiots are being treated just as badle as people in those campls, it's trivializing the holocaust.

[native_samples]

You're just proving my point without realizing it. If your attitude is widespread in Germany then truly its people have failed to learn anything from the past. What a total failure by the Allies that would represent. Your argument boils down to "you may make analogies to Nazi-ism unless I happen to dislike those analogies, in which case it should be illegal".

Don't you realize that making comparisons to the Nazis is only useful before it gets as bad as Treblinka? If you literally have to wait until people are being rounded up and killed before you're allowed to say, gee guys, this looks kinda like Nazi-ism, then it's far too late. If that's the case then in fact you're not learning from the past but rather, forbidding learning from the past until the point at which it cannot matter.

The Nazis were horrific partly because they did forced medical experiments on people. Regardless of what our ruling classes try to claim, the mRNA vaccines are in fact experimental and people are being forced to take them. That is a policy straight out of Hitler's playbook. Making that comparison is not trivializing what he did, let alone "denying the Holocaust" - which is a complete non-sequitur. They're doing the opposite of denying the Nazi's actions, they're directly calling attention to them.

I think you should just face the music here: you don't like the yellow stars because they're a direct assertion that a policy you support is evil of the type seen in the past, and that therefore, maybe you are evil. Man up and argue why it's not marching in the same direction despite the overt similarities. Don't try and claim anyone pointing out those similarities are "denying the Holocaust" because that's quite evidently not true.

[zaarn]

>Your argument boils down to "you may make analogies to Nazi-ism unless I happen to dislike those analogies, in which case it should be illegal".

No, analogies are fine. Relativising the holocaust or denying it is not.

rnd[0] did a good report on this. The people who started the yellow-star-antivax trend are known and public holocaust deniers and nazis. Prominent figures here are also putting on the holocaust and the relocation of sudetendeutschen on the same level of evil.

>The Nazis were horrific partly because they did forced medical experiments on people.

Yes

>Regardless of what our ruling classes try to claim, the mRNA vaccines are in fact experimental and people are being forced to take them. That is a policy straight out of Hitler's playbook.

No. Source: All of medical literature for mRNA. If you're not willing to look for it, most medical scientists agree that mRNA, to all our knowledge, is harmless. It won't stay in your body more than a week anyways before it decays.

>Making that comparison is not trivializing what he did, let alone "denying the Holocaust" - which is a complete non-sequitur. They're doing the opposite of denying the Nazi's actions, they're directly calling attention to them.

They're not. They're saying that getting poked by a needle is as bad as being starved to death before being squished into a small chamber and brutally choked to death by gas. It's not funny. (edit: And if you don't trust mRNA, there is dead/alive vaccines available too)

>I think you should just face the music here: you don't like the yellow stars because they're a direct assertion that a policy you support is evil of the type seen in the past, and that therefore, maybe you are evil. Man up and argue why it's not marching in the same direction despite the overt similarities. Don't try and claim anyone pointing out those similarities are "denying the Holocaust" because that's quite evidently not true.

The truth is that the holocaust-deniers under the anti-vaxxers are already a minority, they're theories are absolute quack and at best they're not contributing to society, at worst they're destroying it. And yes, some of them are denying the holocaust. Others are relativizing it. Both of those things are bad, don't try to strawman my argument that I'm saying otherwise.

0: https://www.rnd.de/politik/judensterne-auf-querdenker-demos-...

[native_samples]

What exactly is the difference as you perceive it between an analogy and "relativizing" something?

"No. Source: All of medical literature for mRNA"

So if the scientists doing the experiments claim their experiments are A-OK, people being forced into them is OK? Really? That's the distinction you feel makes it not the same as what the Nazis were doing? If the Nazi doctors had said "we think our medical work is actually beneficial" you'd have said, oh OK then. Not a crime.

"They're saying that getting poked by a needle is as bad as being starved to death before being squished into a small chamber and brutally choked to death by gas."

They are NOT saying that and the fact you keep making this nonsensical claim is - again - proving my point to any bystanders who are watching. If you're representative of the average German then the Allies failed because you aren't drawing generalizable lessons from the past. The anti-mandate campaigners are drawing analogies with the Nazi practice of forced medical experimentation on people which you have already agreed was horrific. And that is worth comparing to the Nazis because history teaches us that people willing to take that step may well be willing to take others, which is exactly how we end up with pictures like these:

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_p...

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_p...

Do you see the danger now? The guy with the swastika symbol in the first photo has a sign saying "gas the unvaccinated". It should not be a shock that the actual neo-Nazis here aren't the people saying "leave us alone" but rather the ones saying "let's force people to take brand new drugs against their will". The latter was something the Nazis actually did. Making vaccines a matter of free choice wasn't.

[shadowgovt]

Pretty sure both of those images would also be examples of illegal behavior in Germany.

> The latter was something the Nazis actually did. Making vaccines a matter of free choice wasn't.

This overstates the situation. The Americans also required smallpox vaccine for the continental army, and the US currently requires MMR vaccine for participation in public school.

Requiring vaccination (of everyone, another key difference between the pandemic and the Nazi analogy, as the Nazis weren't conducting medical experiments on those they considered "master race") to participate in some aspects of modern society is part of modern society. Comparing it to the Holocaust trivializes the Holocaust.

[zaarn]

I still fail to see how a poke with a needle is as bad as the gas chambers. But arguing with antivaxxers seems always to be a fruitless effort.