I’m confused, are you bringing up that he’s vaccinated to discredit him as being hypocritical or otherwise dishonest?
If so that’s a very weird position. It can be entirely rational for someone to believe the vaccine is the best choice for them personally, while also being skeptical of the pharmaceutical industry, public health institutions, and the media.
Thats not what is happening here. Rogan is clearly pandering to an audience who already know what they want to hear. The people working hard to try to save lives by playing whack-a-mole with some millionaire with a megaphone will always use all the tools at their disposal to stop that flood of misinformation.
Rogan is yelling fire in a crowded theatre and cosplaying as a concern troll. He deserves the public scrutiny on his other work.
His defenders really need to stop the crocodile tears over Rogan. They also need to stop conflating free speech with dangerous misinformation that has already been debunked but is only kept alive by trolls like him.
> Rogan is clearly pandering to an audience who already know what they want to hear.
I don’t think that’s the case for the majority of his listeners. I like him because he’s a good interviewer and has lots of interesting guests from across the political (and apolitical) spectrum. And I’m tripled vaccinated, since I guess that’s needed for credibility now.
Serious question: is there a point-by-point debunking of the alleged “dangerous misinformation” appearing on his show?
I think funding something like that would have been a better use of Neil Young’s Spotify royalties than just giving them up.
Debunking doesn't seem to work with anti vaxxers or racists. No matter how many facts are placed in front of them, they don't care, don't trust the sources and never absorb anything new unless it fits whatever conspiracy they believe in.
This is what makes Rogan so dangerous. He seems reasonable, unlike Alex Jones, but Jones started his slide by flirting with growing his audience through nutters and Rogan will end up the same if he continues.
People have always been that way. Before Rogan showed up, before the internet was even invented, there were "nutters" that had deeply misinformed perspectives which they followed, sometimes, to death. I'm sure someone will argue scale is the differentiator, but I'd argue that the proportions of people who ignore facts vs consider facts, is probably unchanged. (Although admittedly, I have no statistics)
Also I think a big part of the problem is the aggressive labeling of content as "misinformation" or "fake news." To me, misinformation implies propaganda issued and promoted by an enemy entity. But today, it is a term that is used to mean anything that has a fact (whether verifiably correct or incorrect) that implies a conclusion that is generally unacceptable.
For example, if the generally acceptable premise is: "everyone who is able should get a vaccination," then publicly talking to someone harmed by a vaccination (even if it's true) would be considered misinformation, because it potentially concludes something opposing the acceptable premise.
If we can't openly share ideas, good, bad, informed, misinformed, then the 99% (fake number) of us who aren't "nutters" that follow bad advice to extreme conclusions, will be denied the volume of data, perspectives, and opinions we need to make a truly informed decision.
But most of his listeners are not anti vaxxers or racists, otherwise you wouldn’t believe he was a “dangerous” influence.
If the best his critics can manage are character attacks against him and his guests (which is mostly what I’ve seen), his listeners will not only continue to listen to his “misinformation”, but believe he’s trying to be silenced.
That said, I do believe he bears some responsibility to balance out the more controversial viewpoints, and he has stated he will. I would love to see him host two guests with opposing views more frequently.
I am saying if he decides that growing his audience via the standard laundry list of RWNJ topics and conspiracies, he will slide into being just another Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones. At the moment he isn't that, but he is definitely on that path.
I get that it's lucrative since that particular audience seem to be cashed up rubes who will throw money at anybody who panders to them, but it inevitably leads to getting involved in the lies they want to hear.
>Still, Malone, who calls himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”, thinks his work hasn’t been given enough credit. “I’ve been written out of history,” he told Nature.
Yeah, it's even worse than what I've written above. He's also pretty much sour that he hasn't been given enough credit.
He is claiming to be what he is not. He is intellectually dishonest about his experience. This are things I can judge without being a medical professional.
I've never said that possessing a degree or title is needed to discuss a topic. And it wouldn't be in the case of Dr. Malone, if he wasn't claiming to be what he is not.
After I got vaccinated and my wife and I experienced the myocarditis (although we're both over 45), I turned against the mRNA vaccines and the method of giving them without aspiration. I was never fond of the adenovirus ones as there's enough science against that vector.
At this point calling someone anti-vaxxer is the new ad-hominem fallacy as an intellectually lazy way to attempt to discredit someone without actually examining the merits of their arguments. Anti-vaxxer is also an incredibly vague term, to some people might just mean they're against mandates or forcing someone to take test or vaccine under pain of quarantine to engage in interstate travel (see Hawaii).
Begin against one vaccine does not make one anti-vaxxer. For example, I have all vaccines, my kids are fully-vaccinated, but we never get the flu shots for the same reason a COVID-19 vaccine could be hypothesized to be doing an evolutionary pressure on virus. Also, when we vaccinated our kids, we gave their shots at the upper age boundary, not the lower one for the vaccine, and we spaced them out by at least 6 months. We never gave more than one shot at a time (unfortunately, there are some combox vaccines with no alternatives). In general, I think a vaccine against an RNA virus is a flawed strategy and we should focus on prevention (totally ignored by all governments and replace with ridiculous mandates and measures) and antivirals. For example, the 6-foot distance after we know for 2 years that this virus is airborne makes me angry. The same with sanitization theaters, with the mandatory vaccinations, etc. All these, actually, created the highest number of anti-vaxxers in the human history!
If so that’s a very weird position. It can be entirely rational for someone to believe the vaccine is the best choice for them personally, while also being skeptical of the pharmaceutical industry, public health institutions, and the media.