[6gvONxR4sf7o]

> One of the potential benefits of FSD is that it will save lives

But that doesn’t mean that tesla will save lives. Maybe they do a bunch of this and learn that cameras alone aren’t sufficient, and then waymo wins. Tesla wouldn’t have saved any lives, only killed a couple people unnecessarily.

Medicine is the classic example of applying this kind of thinking. You could do all sorts of unethical medical testing to speed up medical research, saving countless lives down the line, but we don’t because it doesn’t make it right.

With another medical example, you could roll out snake oil without testing it thoroughly because it’ll save lives if it works. But maybe snake oil doesn’t work, and it’ll be some other thing that works, and by rushing the snake oil, you just made things worse.

[geoduck14]

>Medicine is the classic example of applying this kind of thinking. You could do all sorts of unethical medical testing to speed up medical research, saving countless lives down the line, but we don’t because it doesn’t make it right.

Bringing up medicine for your stance might back fire. There are tactical examples where policies to "go slow and reduce risk" have cost lives. For example, testing some medicine on pregnant women is bad for the fetus - so there are policies to "not test on anyone who might be pregnant", and as a result, there are few studies on women between the ages of 20 - 80, and women's health has suffered as a result

[6gvONxR4sf7o]

The point isn’t “go slow.” The points are “this area of ethics is well studied and much more complex than ‘wild west research saves more lives’” as well as “society has rejected this particular form of utilitarianism.”

[lamontcg]

There's a lot more examples from medicine where "move fast and break stuff" has cost lives and compromised public trust.

[kukx]

Why do you discard the possibility that Tesla will save lives in the long term? You may say it is unlikely, but it is not like Musk did not deliver world scale breakthroughs.

Also, regarding the medicine, do you really believe we do not do "unethical" medical testings? I guess it depends on your ethical standards and how high they are :)

But let's get back to cost benefit trade off. COVID vaccines tests were rushed. So it is obviously sometimes worth it.

There is a risk in not taking a risk.