[ouEight12]

> that is getting people killed.

Twice as many people died in the US last year from Heart Disease than from COVID, but I'm pretty sure we don't (yet) ban youtubers who extol the awesomeness of gluttonous fast food in weekly videos.

At some point, people need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves, and also allow others to do the liberty to do the same. If someone is an adult, in the US, and not vax'd by now, that's on them. Period. Not anyone else.

To put it another way, I owned not one, but two separate copies of "The Anarchists Cookbook" over the years growing up.. the number of governments I have, to date, attempted to overthrow? Zero. Why? Because I was capable of reviewing the offered material and going "yeah, not today prison, not today."

[tzs]

> Twice as many people died in the US last year from Heart Disease than from COVID, but I'm pretty sure we don't (yet) ban youtubers who extol the awesomeness of gluttonous fast food in weekly videos.

That's not a useful comparison because death due to heart disease from gluttony has a quite different probability density function than does death due to COVID. The former is wide but not tall, the latter is narrow but tall. The first is a lot easier to deal with than the second when it comes to health care system capacity limits.

[assbuttbuttass]

It is on other people though, because unvaccinated people have a higher chance of spreading COVID to others.

We've been over this shit since the beginning of the pandemic, it's surprising and disappointing to see people still framing it as a purely individual decision.

[ouEight12]

> disappointing to see people still framing it as a purely individual decision.

Unless you live a in cave on the side of the mountain surviving off berries and forgoing all human contact, nothing in life in a purely individual decision.

Dog owners are more likely to have their pet physically hurt a small child than people who choose hamsters. Owners of Dodge Charger Hellcats emit more CO2 to the environment than Prius owners. Nobody _needs_ to make six figures a year to survive, they could all perfectly well donate everything above their 'need' to a local soup kitchen... but I don't know anyone who does.

The last I checked, all of these things are still considered perfectly acceptable decisions in polite society. Nobody is out shaming those choices. Except maybe the Prius owners.

[lowkey]

I’m genuinely curious what your source is for the claim that the unvaccinated have a higher chance of spreading COVID? According to this UC Davis/UCSF study [0] both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry similar viral loads. The study found that while vaccinated individuals had fewer symptoms on average, both groups had similar viral loads.

“There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.“

[0] https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-sim...

[JohnHaugeland]

Viral load does not have anything to do with chance of spread.

This is actually very easy to look up, if you put in the effort to do it correctly.

I find that HN is really creaking under the weight of "I'm genuinely curious for you to look something up for me, I looked for werewolf shoes and I didn't find anything about this"

This form of walrusing pretends to be diligent interest in factual information, but it's actually sloth, attempt to control others, and a giant "I don't know how to use search engines skillfully" sign around the neck

[YATA0]

>This form of walrusing

Sealioning[0]. The term is sealioning...

Your poor attempt at sounding smart has backfired and instead you sound like a dumbass.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[albedoa]

Remember to switch back to your other account, Alok.

[YATA0]

Who is Alok? Did you reply to the wrong thread? This is my only account.

[lowkey]

I’ve never heard the walrus analogy before and this is the first time I’ve been called a walrus.

I did do my own googling. Here is what I found [0] - a study that seems to indicate the opposite of your claim that

> Viral load does not have anything to do with chance of spread

I realize it is difficult to infer tone in a comment but I would encourage you to assume good faith. It keeps this community civilized.

[0] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

[albedoa]

> this is the first time I’ve been called a walrus.

This is one of your more incredible claims.

> I realize it is difficult to infer tone in a comment but I would encourage you to assume good faith. It keeps this community civilized.

Hey just fyi since you supposedly just learned what a walrus is, one thing they are known for is their requirement that everyone else assumes good faith long past the point of credulity.

Nobody is depriving you here. The trick to not being called a walrus is to not act like one. It's extremely easy!

[lowkey]

I’m still not sure what exactly you are inferring by calling me a Walrus. Does it mean I have tusks? Are walruses known for acting in bad faith? Your comments are immature and toxic. If you can’t engage in constructive dialogue, name calling is a poor substitute.

[JohnHaugeland]

> I’ve never heard the walrus analogy before

It's not an analogy. It's common internet slang for someone who won't stop arguing even though it's clear that nobody wants to listen to them talk and nobody is taking them seriously.

Your reply is pure, unadulterated walrusing.

It comes from an episode of Wondermark. http://wondermark.com/1k62/

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> I did do my own googling. Here is what I found

Nothing of value, filtered through the eyes of someone who has no understanding of the material.

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> I realize it is difficult to infer tone in a comment but I would encourage you to assume good faith.

This is a core Walrus concept: the idea that anyone who's sick of their inability to read the room just thinks the walrus is acting in bad faith, and that if the walrus appeals harder, the ocean will start to flow in the other direction and they'll suddenly be wanted, liked, and respected.

Predictably, this never actually works, but the reason a walrus is a walrus is that they cannot accept that their constant yammering is inappropriate, so they continue to frame things as "they just don't understand me."

You are overly fake-polite "i'm genuinely curious" because you get this reaction constantly and consistently from multiple people, and won't accept that your own behavior is inappropriate, so you're stuck in a series of decreasingly sensible explanations to avoid the obvious one.

It's simple.

Nobody cares if you're genuinely curious. You're bad at Googling, you give up the second you find something you think means you're right, you stand on evidence you don't understand, you give bare links and expect people to read them (when you obviously did not) and respond at length to tell you why this isn't right when you never even said what in it you're responding to.

I didn't even open your link.

Nobody does.

It should be obvious to absolutely anybody that the person you're trying to force into a conversation *DOES NOT WANT TO TALK TO YOU*.

"Oh well maybe if I'm just polite enough and I google up something where I read the headline"

Stop it, dude. You aren't a casual doctor. You aren't a casual scientist.

Nobody should have to waste their time explaining to you why what random BS you found on Google doesn't say what you thought it did.

I did make the mistake of opening your first link. It had absolutely nothing to do with what you claimed.

I'm tired. Please learn to read the room. Nobody wants to sit here watching you sit in a search engine looking for softballs to throw across the room.