[morelisp]

> which is nice because it's your internal code and you can always update your own usages without having to worry about compatibility.

Unless your services talk to each other or share some external data storage? Which is actually really common?

[ninkendo]

Services talking to each other, and storage persistence, are only tangentially related to internally defined enums. At some point you need to marshal data in and out of a serialization boundary, and it is at that point that you must handle cases you didn’t anticipate. But it’s just serialized data; it may be intended to represent the same value your enum describes, but it’s up to the deserialization code to do the right thing if it encounters a value it doesn’t recognize.

What I mean is, code that deals with serialization cannot by definition avoid the problem of “what if the data is invalid”. It’s not just enums but every aspect of your type system that must deal with this problem (typically by just throwing an error if the data is invalid, etc.)

[morelisp]

"Invalid" is different than "unknown but safely be round-trippable" though. We round-trip unknown-to-the-local-unmarshaller enums through our protobuf services or DB layers all the time.

[ninkendo]

If you want to carry marshaled data around without knowing what is, carry the marshaled data around. If you want to know what that data is and deal with it, marshal it into a known swift enum.

I honestly think we’re talking about different things… the guarantees a programming language gives you are independent of the guarantees a serialization format gives you.