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by themaninthedark 1595 days ago
Foxcon's worker's deaths are a cost of doing business of delivering iPhones to YOU the consumer. Their blood is on YOUR hands.

Or you know, Foxcon and the pipeline companies are responsible for what they do.

Add in the fact that we have regulators and environmental regulations that we voted for and funded to try and stop things like this shows that the average person does not want this to happen.

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> Foxcon's worker's deaths are a cost of doing business of delivering iPhones to YOU the consumer. Their blood is on YOUR hands.

Correct. If you bought iPhones from someone you know is driving people to suicide with their business practices, you're at minimum accepting that.

If there's an alternative to the iPhone that doesn't do that, then yes you should indeed be triggered to consider switching. To not have to consider it is to think you're not the one paying money to the party to run the business process they do, which drives people into suicide.

Of course culpability is not on a spectrum. Of course Foxcon directors are much more responsible than you as a consumer. But to act like you have no influence in the matter would be false.

Unless you have no other options. But in your example you do. And reducing your gas usage long-term also absolutely reduces the amount of gas infrastructure required, and the amount of gas leaks. Mad-made gas leaks and consumer gas usage correlate, perhaps not perfectly, but they obviously correlate strongly. Just like child labour and demand for diamonds correlate. Just like iPhones and worker suicide (versus say, a lower correlation for the Fairphone) So yes, it's entirely normal to consider green alternatives to gas as a consumer because in the end, the leaks exist because pipes were built for us because we demand gas.

Does that mean it's the only solution to these leaks? No. But apart from voting in elections or otherwise driving political change, (encouraging others to) voting with your wallet is one of the few influences you have to solve these problems.

>Foxcon's worker's deaths are a cost of doing business of delivering iPhones to YOU the consumer. Their blood is on YOUR hands.

Is it not? If you buy conflict diamonds do you get to wash your hands and say "there isn't any blood on my hands because it's the local warlord's choice to use child soldiers, not mine"?

Do people go out of the way to buy conflict diamonds? or is it more people try to buy cheap diamonds?

Even if you don't go looking for cheap diamonds, how can you be sure your diamond is conflict free?

>"Nearly nine years after the Kimberley Process was launched, the sad truth is that most consumers still cannot be sure where their diamonds come from", Global Witness founding director Charmian Gooch told BBC World Service's World Business Report. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-16027011

For fungible goods, you can not guarantee where and what made the product you are using. That is why we (try) to have systems in place to do so.

> Do people go out of the way to buy conflict diamonds? or is it more people try to buy cheap diamonds?

I don't think apple is going out of their way to find sweatshops either.

>Even if you don't go looking for cheap diamonds, how can you be sure your diamond is conflict free?

Are you arguing for nihilism here? ie. "we can't really be sure that even conflict free diamonds are conflict free, so it's fine for me to buy diamonds from a random diamond dealer in Sierra Leone"?

> I don't think apple is going out of their way to find sweatshops either.

Apple goes out of their way to find the lowest cost manufacturing that gets the job done. I think apple doesn't care what the conditions of workers are as long as they can pocket the money they save by selecting the manufactures that cost them the least. As long as people continue to buy iphones their factories could be fueled by burning children alive in furnaces for all they care.