[Morgawr]

> Obviously nobody survives the PiP because for an engineer not on a pip

I can't speak for other companies but I work at Google and I've met several people over the years who've confided with me that they've been on PIP (either in the past or at the moment when talking to me). While (thankfully) I haven't been on PIP myself (yet!) so I can't speak from personal direct experience, I can confidently say that all the people I know personally that were on PIP have successfully re-focused their career, haven't gotten fired, and are still working at the company years later.

Obviously it might be survivorship bias and I might simply not be meeting those that do not succeed, but at least I can confidently say that being put on PIP itself is not necessarily just an excuse to get you fired.

[makerofthings]

It was a bit of a blanket statement from me, I’m sure people do survive in good companies, but this is a genuine observation. I’ve never been anywhere near the bottom of the ranking. So I have, over the years, been dragged into a lot of conversations about the people who do end up at the bottom. I’ve heard “Don’t worry, we’ll PiP them out” more than once.

[patch_cable]

I worked with several people at Amazon that were on a PIP and were able to move past it. (They were also people that were both talented enough to be successful in their roles, but needed a nudge because they were not meeting expectations at the time.)

I think we generally do not hear about the cases where a PIP was used and the employee was genuinely not meeting expectations, or when a PIP was used and the employee course corrected and went on to have a successful career.