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by scrooched_moose 1594 days ago
I recently left a major part supplier for a good portion of the heavy equipment industry and Deere was one of our biggest customers. They were truly despicable to work with.

On every bid we sent them the #1 requirement was Proprietary Fit. There had to be some sort of IP lockout (always disguised as a valuable design feature, but it never was) to prevent end users from procuring replacement parts anywhere else. In many cases it even made the parts significantly worse, as useless bumps or ridges were added to the industry standard to make them physically incompatible.

The old model was we build a part for $8 and sell it to the end user for $10. Under Deere's new model, we build the part for $8, sell it exclusively to Deere for $11, and they sell it to customer for $16.

My former employer was very complicit in this behavior, but Deere was by far the most aggressive about and a big enough player to squeeze all their suppliers.

Edit: They pay all kinds of lip service to how this is better for the customer ("reliable supply chain", "Deere-guaranteed quality", etc) but that's only in their public PR. Behind the scenes it is 100% about securing a long term revenue source - customers pay out the ass for a piece of equipment, then have to keep coming back to Deere for 50 years for replacement parts.

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Worse still, you can't get schematics for John Deere in the US, but John Deere provided full schematics as a condition of access to the Chinese market.
My company makes products that have computer controllers, and lots and lots of code to run them. They are bending over backward to make them impossible to hack here in the States, but (so I am told) giving the source and the encryption keys directly to the Chinese government as a requirement of selling products into that market.
Ironic. Makes you think which country cares more about their people and industry.
China didn't demand the schematics out of altruism - they did it so they can copy the product and release their own. It's standard operating procedure for doing business in that country.
I don't doubt it; but schematics, while incredibly useful for repair, are only a sliver of the piece of the puzzle to manufacturing something.
Could you point to China’s version of said product? This sounds a bit like FUD to me.

Schematics do not always 100% lead to stolen and reproduced IP.

More style than substance but the blazon disregard for IP is clear:

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/fancy-a-chinese-interpr...

Yes, in general. I was asking specifically about the tractor clones.
Does it really make you think China might care more about it's people? A brief Google should relieve you of that notion :)
The Chinese government is a large beurocracy, it contains many competing factions and interests.
The Chinese government has its own interst in forcing such concessions. Still, politics today doesn't really favor consumer rights at all. This bill is the minimum that should be done on the topic of copyright. Otherwise representatives feel very comfortable in the bowels of the industry in general, especially regarding to intellectual property. It makes strategic sense to defend it with a player like China, but it also has become about milking consumers.
Exactly the same situation with Apple, but it’s much more than bumps and ridges. It’s DRM for screens, digitizers, batteries, etc. It is genuine OEM but apple obviously prefers you to buy a new device.
That's pretty shocking. At the same time: this is a pretty strong case for market response, some other company should be able to get a significant price advantage out of this and make minced meat of JD in comparative advertising.
This sounds like it should be congressional testimony in support of these laws.