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by titzer 1597 days ago
I encourage you, unreservedly, and without any personal malice, to fight the reality distortion field that causes people to make decisions like the above.

Users do not want this. Engineers, PMs, and executives want this. Google's 23% YoY revenue growth wants this. To Google, users who don't subject to dystopian tracking, who don't consent to Google knowing everything about them, who just want to go about their own lives while not being studied like a lab rat, or pestered to let an all-powerful force in the sky wring their lives of all digital value, are a round-off error. Google has shifted from its default modes of putting the user first, offering them services and information at their request, of being uninteresting in who or why is asking...that it has become one of the leading forces eroding user privacy, agency, and trust.

Inside of Google, the reality distortion field is intense. It doesn't feel intense, it feels rational and right. Google sees itself as an infinitely benevolent force for good in this world that occasionally makes mistakes. It literally cannot fathom what an abusive, creepy, and unfeeling machine it's become. It sees itself as being made of very moral people. It cannot understand that its enormous size, its market position, and its list of priorities have created a configuration of people that can do nothing but eat the world, and at this point it is doing so, despite what those people have in their heads.

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It's fascinating to see Google and Facebook employees defending the undefensible here almost daily, using all the upbeat expressions they can muster out to obfuscate the fact that they are not accepting no from people when it comes to data collection.

One would hope that there will be an effort to shame these engineers for their role in normalizing mass surveillance, and for their shallow attempts to play down the damage they cause to society.

A year ago I've seen a Google engineer boasting here about his occasional donations to charities, while he works on ads and regularily defends his employer in public, dismissing some of the illegal activities that are taking place at Google.

I'd understand working for your own selfish reasons on something harmful to other people out of necessity, but I doubt most Google and Facebook engineers are only designing and writing the code that intrudes on our personal lives because they just could not find an engineering job at a less scummy company.

If there's one feature that I would assert almost everyone wants which requires tracking some data, its search history recommendation.
1. We’re talking about people who have already switched it off.

2. There is no need for any tracking to implement this. It can be done on the client.

1. For non paid users, it isn't turned back on. But it is turned on if you're a paying user. In these cases it's never the user who switched it off, it was the admin, so since the control is being shifted from admin to user (admin can no longer turn it off for users of workspace apps) its kind of like a brand new setting for them.

2. True but it's somewhat useful to be able to use your account on different devices and retain your history.

> 1. We’re talking about people who have already switched it off.

No, we're talking about accounts who already had it (as part of broader setting) disabled for them, in a context where the data in question can (contractually) only be used to provide the service anyhow.

> 2. There is no need for any tracking to implement this. It can be done on the client.

Pray tell me how you can do client side search history recommendation for the first query I make after logging in.

> No, we're talking about accounts who already had it (as part of broader setting) disabled for them, in a context where the data in question can (contractually) only be used to provide the service anyhow.

That doesn’t contradict that it was switched off intentionally.

> Pray tell me how you can do client side search history recommendation for the first query I make after logging in.

Logging in to what? Are you saying you want your search history synced between your browsers? If so, that’s a solved problem that doesn’t require Google to track you.

The search history in this context is Gmail and drive in app search history. This has absolutely nothing to do with your browser.
Then it’s a trivial feature that you can simply ask people if they want to enable rather than opting them in when they opted out.
Easy, just store your search history in a Blockchain and pull it down every time you log in.
Why a blockchain? Or is this sarcasm?
Google turns off maps nav search history if you turn off web search history. Maps could easily switch to local to the device instead, since you usually nav with the same device over and over and could rebuild common history if you got a new device (or transfer history), but it feels like they want a carrot and stick.
Well the google PM said that before this change all their apps history were unified, and they just split off the workspace apps. But maybe you're right and the only reason it's still that way rather than split up is a business decision rather than a developmental/resource allocation decision.
Why would I want Google to store my search history? I can look at my search history just fine with my local copy on my web browser.

(Web browsers store previously visited websites)

The search history in this case isn't your browser search history, but in-app search history within gmail/drive. Your browser doesn't store that.
Which drive files I open is 100% in my web browser history.
But searches made in the drive UI are not. (and gmail history certainly is not, and actually drive files viewed in certain contexts aren't either)
> But searches made in the drive UI are not.

What? Yes they are! Browser history includes every page you navigate to, including the "search results for 'tps report'" page of a cloud storage service.

I certainly do not want that! I want to search through the web as it is, not as some search engine imagines I would prefer it to be, based on its inevitably limited understanding of my preferences.

Smart systems which sometimes work and sometimes don't are vastly more frustrating than dumb systems which do exactly what they're told, every time.

My (non google) browser stores my history just fine.
Just to clarify this comment is sarcastic right? It gets confusing in text. (genuinely asking)
No, I wasn't being sarcastic
Ah ok! So then the other replies are valid then. Agree with others, to me this is useless. Browser handles it already if I wanted it, and I never use that anyway.