[rendx]

Err, you are aware that electric cars are not more environment friendly than diesel or petrol cars? You more or less just shift the environmental damage to the location of production (batteries, etc).

Especially if you consider how modern cars are not meant to be driven for 20+ years. My diesel van is over 25 years old and still going smoothly. Can you imagine to drive a current Tesla for the next 25 years? How many cars will you "use up"? Let's compare the environmental damage.

[foobank]

The environment cost of electric cars is via battery production, and happens to be via the grid. That is, producing electric cars is as dirty as the grid.

We're cleaning up the grid, which will clean electric car production cars.

Combustion engines have no such path.

[arcticbull]

The CO2 break-even is around 8 years for an electric car, and the bulk of the other materials are recyclable.

[rendx]

In some sense, anything is "recyclable". What does that mean in reality? How much "recyclable" material is actually reused, how much resource transformation does it take to reuse or recycle? Which economic incentives exist, and are they working? "co2" is a single data point, and of course you can tune the process to minimize one, at the cost of something other. How about all the "rare materials" that are required, and all the other pollutants?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/20/electric...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56574779

https://undark.org/2021/01/21/electric-car-looming-recyclabi...

Cars are getting bigger and heavier, people buy more cars than ever, and transportation still becomes more and more individualized. The overall environmental damage continues to rise. All these are sad facts, and there is an abundance of "proof" to be found everywhere.