[mgalgs]

> virtually all of these have been debunked

I don't know if you're aware but a lot has changed in the past few years. I used to dismiss is all as whacko sci-fi until last year, but the government is now confirming the reality of unexplained aerial phenomena (UAP a.k.a. UFOs). You should check out the report to Congress last year which detailed 140 incidents, 139 of which could not be explained prosaically, 80 of which were confirmed by eyewitnesses and multiple sensors, and 21 in which "observers reported unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics".

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics/ufos-uap-extraterres...

These are highly credible reports from the highest levels of military. Check out David Fravor's "Tic Tac" account off the coast of San Diego to get a taste of what's going on.

I've been curating this YouTube playlist of credible sources (including David Fravor) confirming the reality of these things if you'd like to learn more:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7gMGIbRUmhTRTuUHX8CA7H_s...

[asfarley]

I think it's likely that most of the tic-tac things were some kind of projected image. It's the easiest way to explain the non-inertial movement of the object, and the bubbling ocean underneath: that was the projector station, possibly one of many.

David Fravor, while I believe he is credible, doesn't seem to be really giving the full picture. I think he's being careful in what he says for a reason. I think this is some kind of developing military technology, most governments probably have a vague idea of how it works and who is doing it but maybe they are not certain. A huge red flag is how non-chalant Fravor is about the whole ordeal. Even if you're not initially a UFO-hunter, I would think that such an experience would make any sane person start taking the possibility of aliens on earth more seriously. Because this didn't happen, I have to believe that Fravor has some additional information making him think this phenomena has a terrestrial source.

Someone with a more conspiratorial outlook might say that this is controlled disclosure, possibly intended to distract from more mundane Earthly political issues.

[mgalgs]

Have you watched Fravor's interview on Lex Fridman? As I recall he says he thinks it must be extraterrestrial. I wouldn't say he's being non-chalant about it.

Regarding the projection theory, it would have to be decades old tech since these sightings have been taking place for decades (not just hearsay, officially documented reports from credible sources). Many of these sightings occur around sensitive military areas, especially nuclear facilities, including an incident in the 60s where a UFO hovered over several missile silos, disabling the weapons one by one in the process.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-dea...

I used to think more like you, assuming it was either crackpot conspiracy theories or actual government conspiracies (projection, etc. like you said). But I've changed my opinion on it since last year. If you haven't taken a look at this stuff recently you should really check out the YouTube playlist I shared above. There's definitely something going on, and debunking it is requiring more and more conspiratorial thinking by the day.

[asfarley]

I did watch Fravor's interview; this is mostly what I'm basing my thoughts on. He does say he thinks it's extraterrestrial, but goes on to say that he 'doesn't really care about things like that' and he just decided to drop it, or something. Isn't that kind of being nonchalant?

I'm not trying to be overly argumentative here - I want to believe, as they say. I was just left a bit disappointed by Fravor's testimony.

Re: being decades old, I think that's easily within the realm of my theory. Basically my theory requires a few precision servos with lasers to align them and some kind of maybe visual targeting system. This has certainly existed for at least 2 decades, probably 4 decades.

Let's say someone was testing an analog, remote-projection system using lasers in the 60s. Is it possible that this system heated up the mechanisms controlling the nukes enough to temporarily de-activate them?

But no, I haven't watched most of the videos in your Youtube playlist. I am actually interested and I will check them out.

[tejohnso]

> I think it's likely that most of the tic-tac things were some kind of projected image.

A projected image that is perfectly represented in three dimensions, viewable from multiple angles simultaneously, and giving off appropriate radar signatures to match its position in real time? That in itself would be something quite astonishing, and would certainly be a matter of national security.

[asfarley]

It's pretty fuzzy in the clips I've seen, so I think it depends what you mean by perfectly represented. A coordinated set of lasers can cause a single point to appear to emit from multiple angles simultaneously.

Re: radar, I was not aware of evidence that the radar signature of the device is known to match the appearance of the device in real-time. Where do you get this?

My understanding is that some radar stations picked up 'something moving at high velocity' in some area, and the jet fighters went in for a visual. There may be only a very loose correspondence between radar tracking and visual tracking. It would be much easier to evaluate if they released the numerical data, which the navy no doubt has.