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by leon_
5384 days ago
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German engineering != German IT. German engineers are one of the world's best. But german computer scientists/software engineers are mostly just pathetic. I'm working in Germany and it's unbelievable what kind of people do get a CS master here. The only successful german software corporations are SAP (which are outstanding) and a bunch of digital audio companies. The fun part is that they are so successful at digital audio because it's mainly an engineering discipline and the software is just the smaller part of the effort. I suspect it's all about the education. Where engineering study is really hard the CS curriculum is pathetic. After the first semester where they sieve out the total idiots with massive math abuse there's not much more than writing java applications. (Believe it or not - some weeks ago I worked with a CS Master on a project and he didn't know what a singleton is. When he discovered the all-mighty singleton hammer suddenly everything looked like a nail ...) And the copycats ... well besides the StudiVZ which is a facebook copy (and now loses hard to FB) no other copycat made any real profit. All the eBay copies died. The most popular digg/reddit copy has 2 comments on the front page. And well, that's all. I think Germans don't really get it that a valley startup is mostly burning money to get huge and to find out if the business model is viable. The Germans start then a copycat and expect to make money from an unproven business model. A friend of mine works for the work department and processes business plans of people who want funding (there's a funding program for unemployed which pays ~1000eur/month for the first year to help them start a business). And he told me once that besides the occasional kebap-stand one of the most common applications are for funding a social network type company. |
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May I ask how you define "successful"? Successful compared to what/whom?
>> Where engineering study is really hard the CS curriculum is pathetic
Here again, on what facts do you base this statement? The fact that you met a guy who did not know about a given softare dev pattern does surely not mean that no German CS Master knows about it, right? Further is CS all about programming? I don't think so! How long have you been around in Germany? Did you study there? If yes in which university? Where do you work? Have you come around enough to get to such conclusions?
In general, I think that your comment is much of the reality and shading quite a bad light on "all" Germans in IT. I think you should not generalize, just because you made a bad experience once.
just the 2cts from a German, working in IT, feeling offended by such generalizing comments ;-)
cheers