[D0rk0]

You know what would be really nice... instead of cultivating an opinion about something you just don't yet understand, to declare, wow, I really don't understand this... and why don't I try to understand the multitude of factors that are at play here... instead of cultivating an opinion that is mostly based on erroneous assumptions.

YOUR socialization process, you think of it as "dating," doesn't match their socialization process. You conclude they are--insert adjectives--instead of using the opportunity to try to understand the differences, and possibilities, that are being presented to you.

To conclude that Japanese women are submissive, because _you_ don't quite understand the intricacies of Japanese social norms, values, customs, language....

We travel to explore and _expand_ our understanding of the world and the human condition, not to confirm our prejudices. Try it.

[solarmist]

WTF?

No, I didn't conclude all Japanese women are submissive. I met two who embodied the “ideal of the submissive woman,” which creeped me out completely and showed me how awful that is as an actual personality trait. That's literally what I said.

But you're naive if you don't think there is a deeply ingrained culture of perpetuating learned helplessness because of Japan’s highly hierarchical society or Japanese men and women don't hold up submissiveness as a desirable trait in themselves or their partners. It's every bit as widespread as the perfect housewife image from the 1950s used to be in the US.

[D0rk0]

You said...

<I>I met two who embodied the “ideal of the submissive woman,"</I>

... which plays into a stereotype about Asian women, and Japanese women in particular whether you were generalizing or NOT. You conveniently slap a label on 2 girls you met for a few hours and came to ridiculous conclusions because YOU don't understand Japanese culture. Instead of pausing for a second to think about this, you want to double down on a sloppy inaccurate generalization regarding two girls that conveniently fits into the stereotype about ALL Asian women and pat yourself on the shoulder for not getting it, at all, then polish it off by suggesting I'M the naive one.

LMAO

Have at it. Byyyyyeeeeeeeeeeee