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by BaconPackets 1602 days ago
Anyone knows dev working within that industry? Any insight in the rationalization of creating tools to essentially spy on the whole wide world?

Always curious to see how we can rationalize these kind of purpose in life.

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Usually

1) money

2) the belief that if you don't build it then someone else will, so might as well be paid for it first

At least I imagine that's the only way people who build spyware and blockchain technologies can sleep at night.

Other options may include the intellectual challenge, using the spyware for personal gains, and holding a grudge against Google/Apple.
LOVEINT (spooks spying on their romantic interests, present or past) isn't unheard of.
I don't think so...

I think the major driving force is machismo and competition. People I've met have into this sort of thing have an image of themselves as Matrix-style hackers. It's easy for business types to exploit that.

Be the best hacker working with the best hackers in the world.

so

1) money

I mean, there are people who work for ideological reasons instead(hackers working for FBI/MI5 despite low pay for instance), and in sure there are people in Israel who take this job to do the service to their country and such, and not just the salary.
National security, which in Israel’s case means ethnic security.
IANAEG (...Not An Evil Genius), but it seems safe to assume that a lot of folks in that line of work do not share much of your worldview or value system, to need to do any "rationalizing" before doing such things.

(Actually, you might want to read a few works of fiction which feature well-written Evil Geniuses. Or some "I was a CIA agent..." biographies.)

> well-written Evil Geniuses. Or some "I was a CIA agent..." biographies

I think it's important to remember that CIA agents are people, and not necessarily evil or geniuses.

The one former CIA agent I know is to this day haunted by the time he killed a civilian during the Vietnam war over fifty years ago.

What's the story? It sounds interesting
https://www.nsogroup.com/about-us/

".. Developing technology to prevent and investigate terror and crime"

I guess that their initial intentions were good, but a lot of clients (govs) abused it. It's still their fault for not acknowledging or putting breaks for these kind of actions.

That just shows that they have an adequate PR department. It says nothing about the company's intentions.
Stopping violent radicals is a pretty good motivation.
NSO is radical - disrupting security and human rights worldwide - and, in a broad sense, violent.
Obviously, NSO considers themselves to be stopping the “bad guys” making themselves the “good guys”.
Recently a company from the sphere considered hiring me. The way they spin it was that this is all about fighting criminals and terrorists.
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Patriotism? The average American will immediately yell "mein Fuhrer!"when the CIA calls I imagine it is the same for Israelis.