[colordrops]

The brave-hate meme is self perpetuating at this point. Brave is privacy-oriented out of the box. You have to opt in for the ads and crypto. Isn't that what everyone has been asking for? opt-in instead of opt-out? I'm convinced that Google is behind a smear campaign against Brave. If Brave got real traction it could be a serious threat to their business.

[the_duke]

Google is often dismissively called an ad company.

Why is that? Because most of their revenue is from ads.

How does Brave make money? With ads.

Privacy-centric positioning makes sense to capture a part of the market. But the mis-aligned incentives are there for Brave just as much as they are for Google.

Are they better right now than Google? Probably. Is it smart to trust a company that only makes money with ads with control over your browsing experience in the medium term? Not so much.

It's quite amusing to me how well their marketing works.

What we need is a browser that can exist as a viable business without being chained to ad revenue.

[jqpabc123]

But the mis-aligned incentives are there for Brave just as much as they are for Google.

No they are not.

Brave exists as a privacy-centric alternative. If they start violating user privacy, it would remove all incentive to use their product. There would be no reason for Brave to exist. It would be marketplace suicide.

Google exists as a privacy destroying organization. They can't hide this fact and they have never really tried to. And they can't stop now because their reason to exist would likewise be gone.

[gundmc]

Same exact thing applies to duck duck go.

[colordrops]

I would use Google if they didn't consistently behave poorly and provide a poor privacy. I did use them for a long time. I'm not opposed to ads. I'm opposed to their behavior. Once Brave starts behaving poorly I'll stop using it.

[darinf]

Check out Neeva. Ad free search. We have an iOS browser at the moment and desktop browser extensions. Both apply tracking protections.

Disclaimer: I work for Neeva :)

[jqpabc123]

I wish you all the luck in the world with your search engine. But I can't help but think you may have missed the mark with your business model.

What people (myself included) seem to really object to most are privacy invading personalized ads. These don't just provide benign info, they are actively taking something that belongs to you --- your privacy.

The more benign alternative is context sensitive ads --- ads based on the topic at hand. If I search for "pet supplies", I can tolerate and maybe even appreciate a few ads for dog food and flea collars. This might be distracting for cat owners but this is something I think most would be willing to accept in exchange for the "free" service.

DuckDuckGo seems to be growing very nicely with context sensitive ads.

[xg15]

So what is your business model?

[JoiDegn]

Senator, they take a subscription fee.

[waffle_maniac]

> But the mis-aligned incentives are there for Brave just as much as they are for Google.

Machine learning is local; can't be evil. They are committed to not going public. I suggest doing some more research before making assumptions.

[GeorgeWBasic]

I was about say, before the trolls responded, that I'm about 50/50 on it being that and it being that Eich hasn't stayed cancelled, that he's done well for himself despite that, which just infuriates a certain crowd here. But then they came and made that point for me. The pleasant surprise is how they are a minority even here. And in my recent years in the tech world, I discovered that half of my coworkers used Brave. They don't care what the vocal minority thinks, and neither do I. The Brave community grows anyway.

[waffle_maniac]

A substantial number of those critical of Brave haven't put in the time to understand how Brave works. Example: David Gerard doesn't know the difference between a link and an address bar.

[pkulak]

Brave hate is a meme because any time anyone wants to talk about anything internet, 100 accounts come out of the woodwork to tell us some Chromium wrapper is the second coming of Christ. The rest of us are sick of all the promotion and get chippy in response.

If you’ve been around long enough, you know they’re at least paying YouTubers to use and promote the browser without any disclosure. Who knows how far past that they are going.

[waffle_maniac]

> you know they’re at least paying YouTubers to use and promote the browser without any disclosure

How do you know that? You sound jealous.

[y4mi]

Because not everyone took the money and some talked about it in their twitch streams.

I'm not aware of anything recent though, last fiasco I'm aware of was something around 2020 I think, though I doubt they changed

[waffle_maniac]

Are you referring to 1) sponsorships or 2) creators verifying to receive donated BAT? Either way, donations and marketing are hardly evil.

[hackerfromthefu]

Ad hominems and smear tactic, seems the usual form of the 50c army or zealots that pops up to attack brave.

Sources please?

[xg15]

I'm still skeptical how that could reasonably work on an opt-in basis.

Being annoyed daily by ads in exchange for some obscure crypto currency which might be worth something in the far future doesn't seem like a proposal to me that could convince a lot of people.

So I wonder, how many Brave users actually do opt-in? More than five?

[waffle_maniac]

Plenty of users in /r/BATProject fighting to get their $2/month earnings into their bank accounts. Average person thinks passive income, $5 or $10, is pretty cool. It buys a coffee or tea.

I think it's 8M+ users that have opted into ads. I could be wrong though.

[BrendanEich]

Over 17%, right now. It's been as high as 20%.