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by JPKab 1602 days ago
I fully admit I've been harsh in this thread, and frankly I'm unhappy with myself for letting my emotions get the best of me.

I appreciate your honesty and candor on your feelings on this subject.

What I will state bluntly is this:

You have stated, implicitly, that you support the policy of confining the unvaccinated to their homes.

Unfortunately, I don't see a path forward for me to ever forgive, or be willing to be decent to, people who hold that opinion, because I view it as absolutely and unequivocally tyrannical, to a degree that I view is a betrayal to the constitution. My ancestors settled in southern Appalachia in the early 1700s, and I would have a far larger number of relatives if not for so many of them dying in the Revolutionary War for the right to never again have their fundamental rights violated by inevitably corrupt, morally certain and powerful rulers in distant cities. They too, fled Ulster, where oppressive policies could have been avoided if they had made the CHOICE to convert to the Anglican church. Just a CHOICE. They CHOSE to not join the Anglican church, so they deserved the oppression that was visited on them in the eyes of the British monarchy. "Those stupid Scots-Irish Presbyterians. If they'd just convert, they'd be fine! Let's take their shit." The English KNEW that THEY were RIGHT. It was all justified.

I strongly suspect that, had you been born in 1914, you would have been fully supportive of the internment of Japanese Americans in World War II. Most Americans were, because violating the sovereign rights of fellow citizens made them feel safer. It reduced the risk imposed by some of them being spies. You have applied the same logic here. I know you view that as an unfair characterization. I don't fault you for that. Most people think that, if push came to shove, they would not have been one of the majoritarian oppressors they read about in history books. They think they are one of the small percentage of people who would have taken a stand, and sacrificed to do so. I see no evidence to support that belief in this conversation.

All I will say is that the machinery required to enforce such policies, as put on display in Australia, once put in place, can be used for any end, by any ruler who seizes power.

Regarding the political party aspects, it wasn't intended as a threat, but more of as a single data point that should make you question what the long-term fallout will be when this already endemic virus is eventually recognized as such by the vast majority of the American public. I'm not the only one who has hit a point of no return. I know I am in a minority, but it's an intransigent one, and the effect will be generational. I used to support gun control as well. Knowing that people out there are happy to violate my rights, I no longer do. 2 years ago, I viewed the NRA as a bunch of psychopaths allied with gun and ammunition manufacturers. My opinions, likely correct, was that a lot of the "Obama will take your guns" was designed to boost ammunition sales and profits for the gun/ammo companies. Now I view them as a useful counterbalance. I've been radicalized. Was it worth it?

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There’s a lot in here to respond to but I think the most important part is this

> I've been radicalized. Was it worth it?

Why do I always hear this from people who think the unvaxxed should be completely unrestrained in their behavior? And why do I always hear it from people who haven’t realized they’ve radicalized the rest of us.

If you asked about limiting someone to their home because they won’t take a vaccine for a plague, you would have only gotten odd looks because no one would have expected people to be that crazy en masse. But hey, they are, they’re inflicting their problems on the rest of us, and like to get threatening anytime it’s questions.

We’ve been radicalized by the insistence of personal freedom over not harming the rest of us. Was it worth it?

I tested positive for COVID in February of 2021. I have natural immunity but I'm being treated like I'm a risk to fully vaccinated people around me. I think that might explain why I feel like I'm having my rights violated.

Please explain to me why the scientists in the EU consider prior infection equivalent to being vaccinated but the United States doesn't?

Not getting into this. Get the vaccine or stock up on food before your doors welded shut.

Cheers

Like any kid who grew up in Appalachia, I own firearms and a sweet compound bow, learned how to hunt when I was 9, caught my first fish when I was 4, and therefore have no need to "stock up on food." I grow cannabis and vegetables in a hydroponic system in my basement. Fresh tomatoes in the middle of winter makes a hell of an impression at dinner parties, and I highly recommend an indoor hydro garden to anyone. The wonders of LED grow lights and deep water recirculating hydroponics! I don't brew my own beer, so I guess I'll be hosed on that front. Obviously, I know I'll never be welded into my house, but I appreciate the dry wit of your statement.

I'm angry and disappointed, but I'm not afraid of you and the other innumerate immunity deniers. I pity you. The willful imposition of tyranny on others is dehumanizing for those who push it, and for those who go along with it. You're better than that, and I hope you realize it one day. I sincerely wish you a good evening, and I appreciate the opportunity to learn your perspective. I also want you to know that I apologize for being so harsh at times in my comments. I don't fault you, because I understand that people aren't themselves when they are afraid.