[aetherspawn]

I have never bought an Apple device that so much as had a spec of dust in the box.

But I’ve never had a Dell or HP laptop come without a bezel scratch or something like that. So in my books, Apple are still a league ahead on quality, even.

[tomxor]

> I have never bought an Apple device that so much as had a spec of dust in the box

Of course not! If there was dust it would immediately brick the keyboard.

[jb1991]

I’m talking about myriad software bugs.

[joering2]

it blows my mind every day how they screwed up somewhat very good native mail client. once I've updated to iOS14, daily:

- my mail will disappear. I would open a folder and see emails from 2007 at the top... wait and see he is loading them again and more are popping up.. takes few minutes to catch up with 2021.

- my contacts will not work when I start typing email. literally sometimes the do sometimes they don't

- emails that previously were formatted well, would be crashing with odd CSS issues I never seen before

- I would click email.. start reading, then it would shift to the next email.. on its own!

- I had few emails automatically disappear for good... only to find them in trash folder.

Its a disaster. A classical situation where after a system update I'm banging my head against the wall "why the heck did I do that??"

[tomxor]

I really hate promoting Steve Jobs as some kind of miracle worker - But I swear there is a correlation between his death and the hard to quantify decline of software quality at Apple since.

I clearly remember at the time all of the rampant speculation about the downfall of Apple and thinking it's all bullshit, that the people doing the real work are still there and still care and his absence would make little difference, which was true immediately, but gradually over the last decade? perhaps individual work ethic is not enough in a large megacorporate structure to overcome corporate pressures. Perhaps, in such a large structure you really do need someone pushy and particular enough at the top to get emotional and pissed at people when small details suck to prevent it adding up over time.

[hotpotamus]

My 12" Macbook's keyboard basically never worked and then the battery decided it wasn't happy and decided to bloat out which pushed out the bottom panel of the laptop. Really put me off their laptops, though I'm still a fan of iOS devices.