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by fr33d0m_ 1604 days ago
Frankly it's quite sad and scary, the fact that some "government officials" like this one seem to think the US Constitution is some "guideline" and not something that people have shed blood for, gone to war for and many millions have died over all in the sake of freedom and for us to be free. All to be thrown away and disregarded?

I wonder why he/his family immigrated to the US? Was it for the freedom of opportunity? It seemed it worked out well for him only to then trample on the constitution and demanding US citizens be censored? The founding fathers who risked their lives must be rolling in their graves I would imagine.

He should be ashamed of himself and seriously reflect on his stance and choices. Vivek Murthy should resign immediately.

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Could you say specifically what in his quote makes you think he's acting as if the US Constitution is a guideline? I'm guessing he knows the first amendment and the law and it seems unlikely that he would actually verbally state that the government should actively violate the constitution.

Remember, the US has powers it doesn't exercise that allow it to limit the freedom of americans within a constitutional context. And it also has the ability to message to people in ways that cast doubt on things it does not want people to believe.

I am no lawyer or legal expert but...

Amendment I "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

You have a US Government official specifically saying "Joe Rogan Must be Censored" which took an oath to uphold the constitution. He is paid from US tax dollars and is supposed representative of the people. No government official should call to censor anyone, this is literally KGB/H1tl3R/China Dictator type stuff and should frighten and scare the living crap out of everyone.

Joe Rogan hosted free speech from medical and world renowned vaccine experts who have been de-platformed, censored, bullied, fired, threatened with medical licenses being revoked...etc. etc.

Do you not know anything about history? "Today it's me, tomorrow it's you."

I stand with Joe Rogan, free speech, free thinkers, the right to say and write what you think wither I disagree or agree with it. If you can't tolerate that, then you might as well live in a George Orwell 1984 world. Not me.

I can't find the quote from the official. Do you have a link to his exact text?
I clicked thru the video and listened to him. While I don't thikn what he said is intelligent at all, at best, what he said is "you have no right to spread misinformation".

That's different from calling for somebody to be censored. And even if he's technically incorrect to say that people don't have the right to spread misinformation, there certainly are limits on the first amendment that could cover this situation. For example, if Rogan said something super-duper irresponsible, like "Everybody should immediately inject pure bleach into their bloodstream. It will cure covid", that is in fairly strong grounds for the first amendment not applying/being restricted in this case.

He also said "We use the POWER that we have to limit the spread of that misinformation." These are extremely hostile and dangerous words from a US Official, no?

But the thing is, Rogan did not say something super irresponsible like you are inventing and instead has actually has hosted medical and world renowned vaccine experts that had very intelligent things to say, backed with data, fact and logic. So why are you saying things or inventing scenarios that are completely false?

Just a reminder for you...

"Censorship and Propaganda was another important factor to the success for Hitler's dictatorship. Everything that was going to get in touch with the public, including Radios, the Press, the lessons they teach at school, the art works people paint, the movies they play at cinemas all had to be censored first before audiences could watch it."

No, those aren't hostile and dangerous words. You're just getting overexcited.

The scenario I explained is one in which a government may legitimately censor somebody because it exceeds the normal restraints of First Amendment. It's pretty clear that Rogan didn't say that. You may note in everything I'm saying, I'm not supporting censoring Rogan. If the US government wants to oppose his message, clearly they should just spend time on talk shows saying the message they want the public to hear (like they do). I do think Rogan was irresponsible with ivermectin, but it does not reach the point where the government could legitimately censor him.

You don't need you to keep reminding of quotes about hitler. It doesn't somehow make your argument stronger to explain how the Nazis came to be.