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by Avshalom 1596 days ago
But we have a vaccine.
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Not for omicron, or the next variant, or the one after that. At some point we have to face reality, and no it is not eugenics, it called "life".
We do have several vaccines for Omicron. They are the existing COVID vaccines. They aren't as effective as they were against prior variants, but they're still more effective than e.g. flu vaccines, which save many lives each year.

Note that I don't agree with the eugenics comments, but this misinformation about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines is getting out of hand.

>but this misinformation about the effectiveness of COVID vaccines is getting out of hand.

Nothing I stated is misinformation. The the current vaccines are not effective at preventing the spread of omicron. So to say that the best approach, if you are already vaccinated, is to just get virus, is not a stretch. The same can apply to any future, (weak), variants as well.

You said:

> its the same for every other infectious disease without a vaccine.

To which someone responded:

> But we have a vaccine.

To which you responded:

> Not for omicron, or the next variant, or the one after that.

That last statement is incorrect. Yes, you can still get and spread the virus if you have received the vaccine. The same is true for almost all vaccines; they do not cease to be vaccines because of this.

I do support calling out the hyperbole of other people in the thread. Accepting that everyone likely will get the virus at some point is not remotely the same thing as eugenics. It does not become OK to make dangerous misstatements, if not outright lies, in the service of doing that.

For what it's worth, a little more precision (e.g. "every other infectious disease without a sterilizing vaccine") would have served you well here.

>That last statement is incorrect.

Actually it is correct. The mRNA vaccine types target specific spike proteins of the virus. So no we do not currently have a vaccine, so the previous vaccines actually offer quite little protection, (other than any coincidental overlap of proteins). But my statement about it being the same for every other infectious disease is not false. If you have ever had the flu in your life, (or different corona virus cold for that matter), you have some degree of immunity from COVID-19. Just like if you received the vaccine you have some degree of immunity from omicron and future variants.

So, I was trying to be charitable and assume you were simply being imprecise. I now believe you are intentionally lying, though I dont know why.

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease."[0] "Vaccines can be prophylactic (to prevent or ameliorate the effects of a future infection by a natural or "wild" pathogen)..." [0]. This is simply the definition of a vaccine. The mRNA vaccines do provide a substantial prophylactic amelioration of the symptoms of Omicron; this is simply an empirical fact[1]. Therefore we do have a vaccine against Omicron. It does not make the slightest difference whether the vaccine was developed for a slightly different disease.

[0]- wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine

[1]- first duckduckgo result: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-omicron-variant-p... but there's plenty of evidence, of which even a cursory review will lead you to the conclusion that the mRNA vaccines help a lot.

But it doesn't work (well enough) to matter.
It's still really good at reducing hospitalization & death rates, anyway. That's not nothing.

Does seem to be nearly useless at preventing symptomatic Omicron, though. Just makes it, on average, much less awful.