[ostenning]

If you disagree with someone, you need to get into the arena with them and criticise what they say and debunk it. If someone doesn't agree with Rogan or his guests and believe they are spouting scientific nonsense, then it needs to be challenged, not suppressed.

But because our media is so entrenched the only challenge Rogan gets from conventional media are typical smeer campaigns that look disingenuous and erode trust even further. Vaccine hesitant people are never really addressed adequately by government or by conventional media. Distrust is at an all time high and the power structures of the world have never been so apparent to the every day man.

The solution to all of this is transparency, discussion and health policy that targets the problems rather than blanket policy that ostracises and discriminates.

Suppression will only make the situation worse because all of a sudden we on a slippery slope to totalitarianism where (automated) fact checkers are the primordial source of truth and authority.

Ostracising will only make the situation worse because all of a sudden we have very large portions of the community (upward of 25% in countries like Germany) now feel discriminated against, people cannot get on planes and travel to see loved ones, they cant go the cinema, they cant do basically anything, all because they object to handling of health policy. Further more politicians like Macron are stoking divisions even further and marginalizing these people by proclaiming they are non-citizens.

Shit, I cant really imagine a better way to fracture western society. In my mind the virus really did win.

[sometimeshuman]

"If you disagree with someone, you need to get into the arena with them and criticise what they say and debunk it."

This is the challenge Dennis Prager often offers to young college students in his audience. It is comically grotesque to see a senior professional debater and speaker take joy when he shuts down a young nervous challenger. Sure, you and I can think of quick responses, in the same way when we watch a boxing match and can see where the challenger made a mistake. But in a real life arena most of us would probably take a beating when matched against a pro.

A sincere debate can be had when one is willing to steel-man the other's argument but that's not an option when being right and winning is your opponent's brand.

[8note]

Debunking makes people believe the thing more favourably. It's the same psychological trick that makes advertising exposure work. If you hear more about something, good or bad, you like it more.

People are not rational beings who will disregard an idea because it is incorrect. The debunking is instead an attack on the person's identity or one of their friends. What you really need to do if you disagree with somebody is befriend and get them to have an emotional attachment to the same ideas you do

[raverbashing]

> Vaccine hesitant people are never really addressed adequately by government or by conventional media

Maybe to people who only follow crap on facebook and refuse to read "mainstream media" then misrepresent what they show. Mainstream medis is not saying what fb is parroting.

Because this has been ongoing for the most part. But hey it's boring and not written in capital letters so nobody reads it

> then it needs to be challenged, not suppressed.

You've just proven that people don't do that. Thanks. There's no better evidence than your post that people are too stupid to get out of their bubbles

> we have very large portions of the community (upward of 25% in countries like Germany) now feel discriminated against, people cannot get on planes and travel to see loved ones, they cant go the cinema, they cant do basically anything

Of course they can, they just have to stop being idiots. And if they won't do that by themselves the virus will do it for them

[newsclues]

“If you disagree with someone…”

I start by listening to people before disagreeing with them.

I know that is a radical idea, but I think prejudice isn’t good.

[curtisblaine]

> "If you disagree with someone, you need to get into the arena with them and criticise what they say and debunk it"

Unfortunately, it's one-way only. You can't "get into the arena" disagreeing (for example) with the institution same-sex marriage without calls for deplatforming, Facebook bans and (for example) Neil Young trying to get your content removed.