[avemg]

It’s curious that you pit Joe Rogan singularly against “the media”. Joe Rogan has owned up to mistakes but the entirety of “the media” never has? Nobody in the media has ever owned up to a mistake? Joe Rogan is not a member of the media? What is the definition of the media here? People you dislike/disagree with?

[gjsman-1000]

In the US, the "media" is slang for the news. CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, talking head news commentators, so forth. All the ones that supposedly don't spread misinformation. Except for FOX from the CNN and MSNBC viewers perspective, and CNN and MSNBC from the FOX viewers perspective.

[chmod775]

> Except for FOX from the CNN and MSNBC viewers perspective, and CNN and MSNBC from the FOX viewers perspective.

Outside perspective: They're clearly all heavily pushing agendas that are only very thinly veiled as news, in between the actual news.

The US hardly has any objective reporting because any attempt at doing so has to weather a lot of shit from every direction and because such reporting just doesn't do as well. The left-leaning and "centrist" news love to lie by omission (just look at the Rittenhouse trial: nobody who actually saw the full trial would have been surprised by the result), while the right-leaning news tend to exaggerate and outright make shit up (for examples look no further than reporting on the BLM protests). Both do a fair amount of cherry-picking what to report on.

It's like people don't actually want news, but instead want to have their views confirmed. The only places on this globe that manage to actually have some semi-objective TV news do so because it is ingrained in their very culture to value those and because of unconditional (government) funding. And even there news have issues - because it's still only people deciding what to report on and how.

Having programmes that the whole political spectrum can watch goes a long way towards having a dialogue and finding common ground.

In any event this deplatforming needs to stop. It's just about the most effective way to polarize a society by forcing everyone on separate platforms.

[Chris2048]

> The left-leaning and "centrist" news love to lie by omission (just look at the Rittenhouse trial..

or lie by lying: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29774315

I also would let left-media (which I consider to be the majority) off the hook as not "exaggerate[ing] and outright mak[ing] shit up":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2019_Lincoln_Memorial_...

Insurrection cop was hit on head (and killed) with fire extinguisher: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-c...

There's also a lot of dodgy terminology too, like Trump "putting children in cages" which is a "right-style" (think of the children) provocation not dissimilar to anti-Semitic or witch-hunting misrepresentations.

[pydry]

It's not a reflection of what American people want. It's a reflection of the thoughts of two camps of American oligarchs.

People want news but people are the product more than the customer.

[mr_toad]

> The Washington Post has now retracted dozens of articles, rewritten huge parts of stories, and basically admitted it was all a sham.

A couple of posts back you said that the media never admits their mistakes.

[gjsman-1000]

Washington Post did, but didn't do any broad announcement - but rather, worked on silently rewriting history for anyone who went back and looked. CNN and MSNBC have never admitted errors.

[ncallaway]

> CNN and MSNBC have never admitted errors.

That's just plain false.

CNN has issued numerous retractions, some quite high profile.

For example:

https://www.wired.com/1998/07/cnn-retraction/

> CNN chief Tom Johnson said in an on-air statement that CNN alone bears responsibility for the "serious faults" in TV reports and the related article in Time magazine. He said an internal investigation concluded that the claims could not be supported. He apologized to CNN viewers, Time staffers, and American military personnel.

or

https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-cnn-resi...

> CNN removed the story and all connecting links to it late Friday, saying the story did not meet its editorial standards. CNN also issued an apology to Scaramucci, who accepted it with a tweet on Saturday. “Everyone makes mistakes,” he wrote. “Moving on.”

or

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-lawrence-odo...

> “Last night on this show I discussed information that wasn't ready for reporting,“ O‘Donnell said at the top of his show Wednesday night. “I did not go through the rigorous verification and standards process here at MSNBC before repeating what I heard from my source. Had it gone through that process I would not have been permitted to report it. I should not have said it on air or posted it on Twitter. I was wrong to do so.“

> “Tonight we are retracting the story,” he added. “We don‘t know whether the information is inaccurate. But the fact is, we do know it wasn‘t ready for broadcast, and for that I apologize.“

or

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/msnbc-apologizes...

> MSNBC apologized for using “not factually accurate” maps in a segment discussing the violence that has erupted across Israel in recent weeks.

> “MSNBC Live” host Kate Snow acknowledged Monday that her show displayed maps describing present-day Israel as a Palestinian state in 1946, when the area was under British mandate rule. The series of maps shown last Thursday gave the impression that Palestinians had control over all of modern-day Israel and have continuously lost land since.

> “[I]n an attempt to talk about the context for the current turmoil in the Middle East, we showed a series of maps of the changing geography in that region,” Snow said. “We realized after we went off the air the maps were not factually accurate and we regret using them.”

I eagerly await your retraction of that false claim.

[gjsman-1000]

The commentator I was replying to was referring to Washington Post admitting that the "Russia Collusion" scandal that went for over a year was corrected silently by them and they admitted it was basically all fraud, but that MSNBC and CNN have made virtually no corrections to this day on that specific issue.

I was not speaking to that MSNBC or CNN has never made corrections broadly-speaking, but rather that they would not back down on a story that is now broadly considered (according to the Washington Post, no right-wing sympathizer) debunked.

[anonair]

Not defending the parent argument, but the biggest difference to me here is that JRE is not claiming any accuracy of his views, but with news outlets the damage is already irreversible when they retract their "information from credible sources".

[DonHopkins]

That's a false claim. Do you retract it or not?

[ipaddr]

Joe is a talkshow host. Not part of the press but his guests make the news other stations report on. He is letterman or Tom Green. Are they some form media.. sure.

If you changed the all encompassing word media to press the difference is clear

[honkycat]

Joe Rogan has a huge viewership. Him being a "talkshow host" is side-stepping the issue.

I'm sure Tucker Carlson ( who Joe Rogan DWARFS in terms of audience ) would also describe himself as a "talkshow host" ( legally he has to, since his show is for "entertainment value" only. )

[ipaddr]

Yes he is. Why is this a surprise. So is Don Lemon, Cuomo and Cooper. They share opinions not facts.