[paulpauper]

The argument I sometimes see is that censorship is justified to prevent indirect harm of misinformation. If you want to be unvaccinated, that is your choice, but posting anti-vax content may have externalities , such as convincing other ppl to not be vaxed.

[OrvalWintermute]

> posting anti-vax content may have externalities , such as convincing other ppl to not be vaxed.

Oh erudite student of history, what then will stop the toxic vaccines and unethical medical studies from being halted then?

Such as:

The Cutter Incident [1] , The SV40 Contamination [2] , The Swine Flu Vaccine Debacle [3], The Vaccine Contamination disaster [4] , The Tuskegee Syphilis Study [5] , just to name a few.

We should be skeptical about the pros and cons of medical interventions, and also, non-interventions too.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC452549/

[3] https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-the-fiasco-of-th...

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/11/us/politics/johnson-covid...

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

[water8]

Well there’s been an astronomical number of breakthrough cases on the vaccine so maybe the problem is people like you talking in such a definitive terms over something that is clearly not 100% effective

[Nursie]

Can you site claims of 100% effectiveness? Did they come from medical authorities?

As far as I'm aware, even early on in the cycle, realistic claims of effectiveness were being made, with some quibbling over data transparency that were resolved.

As we now have variants to contend with, that effectiveness in preventing infection has dropped precipitously. However the effectiveness at preventing hospitalisation and death is still pretty high.

If it was sold to you as 100% effective you were lied to. But if you were told that there were claims of 100% effectiveness which were clearly a lie, by someone trying to put you off vaccination, then you've been given false information there too.

[water8]

The general assumption at first was that vaccinated people couldn't spread the virus which turned out to be false. We still vilify the unvaccinated when both are susceptible to transmission.

[Nursie]

>> We still vilify the unvaccinated when both are susceptible to transmission.

They are still more likely to be infectious for longer, they are still more likely to clog up the hospital system, occupy ICU beds, and indirectly harm others who would usually be able to be treated but now can't.

And they're still dumbasses.