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by bonestamp2 1611 days ago
> At least one firm will do it for $200 first year and $100/yr after that

Can you share that one? PM me if preferred. I'm on a similar quest and so far I've found pretty much everything else you've found. My wife is a high income earner too and she's happy with the 1%/yr people that she likes, but I think we can get similar results for noticeably less.

Even 0.5% would be reasonable. As you know, from $1m to $2m that 1% fee goes from $10k to $20k and they're not doing anything more for that extra $10k/yr so the value proposition starts to break down for me. $10k in one year isn't a big deal, but over 20 years that's $200k, which might affect my retirement activities and definitely impacts how much is left for my kids (which they're going to really appreciate as life is so much more expensive for their generation).
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jcampbell1 1611 days ago
It can be hard convincing people that 1% is a big number. I assume that you are on average going to see 6-7% return after inflation. The 1% represents 15% of the return. So you give the tax collector 25% and the money manager another 15%. You can defer the taxes but the manager gets theirs once a quarter.

When you are in the $1m+ AUM, it is pretty easy to explain. You are going to be paying for your kids to go to college and one of theirs as well. Make sure you really like them.

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bonestamp2 1611 days ago
> It can be hard convincing people that 1% is a big number.

It's true. My mom only has about $1 million saved for her retirement, which sounds big to anyone who hasn't done retirement planning, but it's really not enough. Growth aside, that's $50k/yr for 20 years. She's paying her advisor 2%/yr. That's $20k/yr, which is a big percentage of her annual income, and he does almost nothing. It makes me sick.

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zie 1611 days ago
After you get over 1M+ AUM, your advisor should seriously think long and hard about lowering their fees, many will go down almost in half(.5%ER). Still high, but if you really desire hands-off do everything for me, it's reasonable.

Once you get to 30M+ invested NW, you can seriously think about a multi-family office and > 100M+ a family office just for you starts making sense.

Most people will have a hard time getting over 1M before retirement, so I left the other options off my original post.

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zie 1611 days ago
I agree, 1% is pretty high, but not ridiculous like EJ's 2% fee.

Many Robo advisors throw an RIA in for free, and they are in the 0.3% ER range. It's hard to get cheaper than that.

The only subscription based one I'm aware of right now is: https://planvisionmn.com/ They give you Fidelity's eMoney platform and you manage that part of it. They just help you with the planning part.

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