[monkmartinez]

I can tell you as a first responder, it doesn't matter. The "vaccine" is a damn joke. I am F**ing exhausted this morning, and I don't care anymore. We are being run in the ground across the country with people quitting left and right.

Fake vaccine cards are the least of our worries. You heard it here first. The emergency medical system is in deep trouble for way too many reasons to enumerate here.

Anecdote time; I responded to the same 200 person retirement home 3 times last night (Thus the "grumpy" tude). "Mask up" signs everywhere, every employee wearing a mask properly, NO visitors for the past month, etc. AND the place is at least 80% infected with Covid. Every resident is "fully vaccinate with boosters"!

The eldery that live there are pissed, we are pissed and the staff is running on fumes. They were told they were getting a vaccine... their definition of vaccine doesn't include still getting the disease, but just a little less sever (which, incidentally has NOT been the case for a lot of them). That doesn't make sense to them or me if I am being honest.

They are sick, some of them really sick. There isn't much we can do except to give them options... stay home and fight the fever/sickness yourself or go to ER and wait for hours (depending on severity of symptoms). We are waiting for transports to the ER for an hour or more as the wall time at ER's explodes due to staffing shortages across the board.

I don't see a difference between what I saw in April, May and June of 2020 and now, with respect to Covid... with the exception of less people willing to work at ER's and EMS. Call numbers are UP massively as everyone thinks covid is going to kill them instantly. Its like people forgot how to take care of a common cold as was the case when Covid hit initially. Treat the fever, drink fluids the second you start feeling bad... don't wait until you have a 104 temp to start taking care of yourself.

I am so jaded with how bad people are at doing ANYTHING for themselves. I often wonder how people have made it to the age of 60, 75, 80 with the kinds of lifestyles I see out there. SO MANY OBESE PEOPLE. SO MANY. You wonder why you are sick? really?

[ryandrake]

I think we are going to find, when the dust settles and this whole era gets studied, that we pinned way too much hope on vaccines and masks and way, WAAY too little was invested in 1. Overall health / Not being obese, 2. General hygiene and staying home when sick, and 3. Avoiding crowds and indoor gatherings. And I say this as one of HN’s huge and unashamed vaccine cheerleaders.

Everyone wants that easy pill (or shot) to “make it go away”. Or the magical mask talisman to wear and ward off evil. But nobody wants to actually make a permanent lifestyle change to end this.

If COVID at the very least serves as a REAL wake up call about our obesity crisis, it would be a miracle outcome for public health.

[falcolas]

If we couldn't get people to wear masks in public regularly, how can we expect them to make an even more significant and life impacting change that could better their health?

[caeril]

I'm not sure, but since we've already crossed the Rubicon of denying free association and ability to conduct business on the basis of arbitrary medical status, there's no longer any reason we can't deny the right to purchase calories to those who have clearly consumed too many of them.

BMI mandates and passports to grocery stores and restaurants: yes it's evil, but we've already decided that this particular abrogation of rights is a moral good. So, fuck it. Starve the fatties. The precedent is set, we can do whatever we want if we scream "public health" loudly enough.

[falcolas]

> we've already crossed the Rubicon of denying free association and ability to conduct business

We’ve always had this. And its been strongly protected for centuries. And this isn't even the first time its been applied to health (lepers, plague victims, tuberculosis, measles, etc).

Its the right of the business to not associate with someone, for pretty much any reason. A person, outside of government owned businesses, has no inherent right to associate with a business.

[slg]

>They were told they were getting a vaccine... their definition of vaccine doesn't include still getting the disease, but just a little less sever (which, incidentally has NOT been the case for a lot of them). That doesn't make sense to them or me if I am being honest.

Hasn't this always been the case with the flu shot which I imagine many if not most people in a retirement home have been getting for years?

[TMWNN]

Flu shots have been around for years, and by now people understand that the effectiveness greatly varies each year, but never being anywhere close to 100%.

COVID19 vaccines, on the other hand, were (contrary to today's frantic efforts to pretend otherwise) always sold as being a) >90% protection and b) ending the pandemic once enough people were vaccinated.

[digsy]

They were sold as >90% effective when introduced.

But it was made abundantly clear that the original vaccines were less effective against newer strains.

[errcorrectcode]

Police around the US are in a similar boat with low morale and resignations. This is how civilization could end: abuse and neglect of essential services, people divided and acting like idiot children, ignoring self-preservation, ready to fight each other over rumors and conspiracy theories, and corrupt and under-communicative political system and leadership.

That's problems of communication (Vaccines: You can get pretty sick but you won't die.) and abusing EMS (fear of being sued hypochondria and not triaging calls enough), not the vaccine.

The vaxx card should've contained anti-forging properties like holograms or security threads, and been maintained electronically at issuance with a QR code for verification purposes. The card itself shouldn't be proof.

[ashwagary]

People are lucky these cards are so easy to duplicate. It's the only reason many Americans still have some bodily autonomy in the face of pharma and govts colluding in suspicious ways.

[archagon]

Where is the anger directed, exactly? On r/nursing, the general consensus is that practically nobody who's vaccinated and boosted is actually dying, unless they have a lot of other stuff going on: https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/s5p4g1/how_many_fu...

It seems disingenuous to call the vaccine a "damn joke".

[EngCanMan]

Reddit is your source? Cmon…

Ontario Canada breaks down deaths by vaccination status, which is currently close to 50/50 on a daily basis.

Please stop believing anything on Reddit.

[archagon]

OK, so what you're suggesting is that the thread is full of liars, or is shaped by propaganda. I call BS. First-hand accounts are important.

Also, where are you getting your information from? This is what I could find from a quick search, and it shows unvaccinated deaths 8x higher than fully vaccinated: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257040/number-covid-dea...

There's https://www.publichealthontario.ca, but I can't find any comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths.

[EngCanMan]

Sorry for taking long to respond.

I do not believe the thread is full of liars or propaganda, although there is probably some, but I do believe many many people are ill informed and regurgitating headlines they read.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/ep...

Page 16 shows deaths by vaccination status in the last 60 days.