[codyb]

I for one really enjoy the vaccine mandate in NYC. I feel much more comfortable knowing that if I catch it going out (seems likely), I'll be unlikely to spread it to anyone unvaccinated causing serious disease.

Of course I'm also boosted and got my flu shot (and do it every year), so I'm probably already more conscientious living in NYC than many.

If someone uses a fake to get in... well... there's only so much I can do, but I discourage it for their own health and for the health of others around them. I flat out told my friend who did the same as such.

I'm sure he'd get through it, but why get mega sick instead of getting the vaccine at this point?

[yucky]

Except your feeling of safety is leading you to be more likely to get it, and when you get it you are very likely to spread it. So a vaccine passport for a leaky vaccine like this one, likely does more harm than good.

This is why everyone reading this can attest to the fact that they know more people infected in the last 2 months (most of whom were vaccinated) than the entire rest of the pandemic.

[Axien]

So someone else’s freedoms should be limited so you can feel “comfortable”?

[kthejoker2]

Uhh yes? Rights conflict with rights all the time, we've already agreed that we have foregone certain rights in certain scenarios ("strict scrutiny") for the safety and welfare of the whole.

You have to wear pants, you can't drive at night without headlights, you can't sit in a restaurant yelling F*K at the top of your lungs in between bites, you have to get a permit to hold a music festival on the street, you can't post political signs on my property ...

Man is born free and eveywhere in chains, literally this is a solved problem from 260 years ago.

[codyb]

Lol, yes.

If people want to eat at restaurants unvaccinated in NYC they have a variety of options. They can eat outside in the stalls which often have heat and shields against the wind. They can order at home and eat with their friends who want to take that risk.

Going to a concert so you can more likely catch and spread a highly infectious virus and become more sick and hospitalized isn't some constitutional right.

And the value of not having people who'll willingly "limit someone else's freedoms" by spreading a virus they could be vaccinated against, well, at the end of the day, I'd rather "limit their freedoms" to use your term, then the person who didn't need to catch it anyways and is now sick or hospitalized. That sounds a lot more like "limited freedoms" than "Oh no, I can't see a play".

[jrs235]

Why not allow businesses (and concerts and plays and etc.) to decide if they want to allow unvaccinated customers (or not)? That's their business. If you don't want to visit businesses (and concerts and plays and etc.) that allow unvaccinated customers then don't go to those businesses (and concerts and plays and etc.). That's your business.

[yanmaani]

What about attending political protests?

[jrs235]

>If someone uses a fake to get in... well... there's only so much I can do, but I discourage it for their own health and for the health of others around them.

I think you're conflating getting a vaccine card with getting the vaccine.

[Ekaros]

You should not really care about people who aren't vaccinated by choice. They have made their own decision and are ready to take the risk. And I'm all for giving them the opportunity.