[noogle]

That's what makes the whole idea of microservices seems weird to me. If a functionality has merit on its own (e.g. an authentication service), then it will naturally fall outside of the main application. If a service is tightly coupled to other parts of the app, then microservices seems like intentionally hindering yourself: the coupling remains (as evident by the need for backward compatibility), but now we it's harder to keep everything aligned due to the extra separation (e.g. different code bases, multiple databases, no static validation of remote interfaces etc.).

The point of organizations and products is to work as a tightly coordinated machine. The decoupling that microservices create seems opposite to that goal.

Happy to hear different perspectives.

[kgeist]

I agree that tightly coupled modules should live inside the same deployment, but:

>it's harder to keep everything aligned due to the extra separation (e.g. different code bases, multiple databases, no static validation of remote interfaces etc.)

It's solvable with appropriate tooling. I.e. you can store API definitions in a separate repository and make the services or CI/CD check API usage is valid at build time.

>tightly coordinated machine

What do you mean by that? For example, we have 10 teams all developing different features in parallel, with a tight release schedule. If there was tight coordination for every change, we'd degrade to a waterfall on the scale of the whole organization. Major API changes are discussed in advance during P/I planning; for minor changes, it's a matter of simply notifying other teams "hey, add this to your backlog, please" (we enforce backward compatibility for zero downtime anyway, so it's not urgent)

[noogle]

> It's solvable with appropriate tooling. I.e. you can store API definitions in a separate repository and make the services or CI/CD check API usage is valid at build time. Makes sense, though it feels somewhat like re-inventing the wheel (same-codebase tooling are generally easier and faster to use).

> What do you mean by that? Data and workflow have to be unified across the company's products to provide the user with a seamless experience. As above, to me this seems may contradict some components of microservices like splitting the database, since one ends up with the same constraints (synchronization, shared schema) while complicating the orchestration (since now cross-system integration is needed).

Sure, something like Reddit or HN can break the unified experience, but any important or productivity system will greatly suffer from such fragmentation. I assume it can be achieved with micro-services, but it seems somewhat harder.