[guidovranken]

Brave is the new Mozilla. Mozilla is a husk. Brave launched a new search engine (which works great. try it!), have built-in Tor support, Wayback Machine support, experiment with new revenue models and unlike Mitchell "we need more than deplatforming" Baker, Eich actually seems to have the visceral inclination for the things that Mozilla claims to stand for.

[0xcde4c3db]

I don't particularly care for the remnant of Mozilla either, but it's not at all clear to me that Brave is a better option. It seems very much like they're trying to position themselves as a kinder, gentler flavor of adtech. I don't want that; I hate that the modern web has turned into an adtech ouroboros, and I want a browser whose mission is to gut the whole thing, not a browser with a new recipe for a more delicious tail.

[BrendanEich]

Brave user-private ads are opt in, so I don't agree on your positioning. Ad-tech is always intermediation between advertisers and publishers. We don't puts ads in page at all, and only in user inventory when the user opts in -- and they get 70% of the gross, to align interests. No data collection at all (ad matching against pushed catalog; confirmed via Privacy Pass like protocol, moving on-chain with Solana). HTH

[acomjean]

Curious, why would someone use brave over Chromium?

Brave as I understand it is just the Chromium browser at its core. (Similar to how all browsers on iOS are just safari wrapped in a different application layer)

https://www.chromium.org/Home

[alibert]

Brave brings:

- Native adblocker based on uBlock Origin algo

- Proxy all requests to Google based service in use in Chromium such as Safebrowsing

- Added anti fingerprinting stuff on some web techs such as webgl, canvas, plugins

- Still open source (to be noted: the ads code, server side, is not)

- Everything documented on their wiki

- Trusted binaries unlike ungoogled-chromium

If you can set aside the crypto part of Brave, I believe this is the best Chromium based browser currently.

https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...

[BrendanEich]

We work closely with uBO folks, but as a browser we got a lot farther than Google allows an extension to go (and with Manifest V3 they're getting more restrictive). See the blog series at https://brave.com/privacy-updates/ and see also the work detailed at https://brave.com/research/. Thanks.

[esalman]

DuckDuckGo also has a Chromium-based mobile browser.

[cglong]

I use it on Android because mobile Chrome doesn't support ad blockers (or other extensions).

[nextaccountic]

If Brave at least used Gecko, it could have been. I don't want to support a Blink + Webkit dominance on the Web.

[BrendanEich]

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22062636 among others. The fight right now is not over engine layer, and no point dying on that hill. Rather, the fight is one level up at user-first economics, vs. big-tech's "users as sheep to shear or take to slaughterhouse" model.

[timeon]

Brave is chromium with different Ad model. What part of it is 'the new Mozilla'?

[lawl]

I pay $3 per month for my search engine now and i don't have any ads, neither in my search engine, nor in my browser. Very happy about that.

Mozilla hasn't managed to sell me something yet and in fact relies on money from google which makes money with ads.