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by assbuttbuttass 1609 days ago
As someone who's used Guix:

They only package linux-libre, so if your device needs proprietary wifi, you're out of luck. Also they package icecat instead of firefox which is kind of cool.

I tried to package slash'em a few years ago, and found it very difficult. The documentation is gigantic and it's hard to find what you're looking for. I found folks on IRC very helpful.
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ryukafalz 1609 days ago
>They only package linux-libre, so if your device needs proprietary wifi, you're out of luck.

I wouldn't say you're out of luck in that case. If you need upstream Linux, nonguix has it: https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix

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light_hue_1 1609 days ago
Oh yeah, nonguix. What a mess.

An unsupported pile of packages that break regularly. And if you dare ask a question about it in any official forum you're kicked out.

Nix has its issues, but guix is ideologically radical in a extremist "We don't care if your machine is unusable, enjoy your freedom", kind of way.

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rekado 1609 days ago
Wow. Not true.

You're not kicked out if you "dare" (how brave!) ask a question about it. You're welcome to chat about it on #nonguix. Is it really that hard to accept that #guix is not #nonguix and that we don't discuss proprietary software on the main channels?

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light_hue_1 1609 days ago
> You're not kicked out if you "dare" (how brave!) ask a question about it. You're welcome to chat about it on #nonguix. Is it really that hard to accept that #guix is not #nonguix and that we don't discuss proprietary software on the main channels?

So... if I go to the official channel to discuss guix and I said the forbidden word "CUDA" I get kicked off? You wrote a sentence in a tone that implies it disagrees with what I said, but it just restates my point.

Guix puts ideology over the welfare of its users.

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rekado 1608 days ago
"CUDA" is not a forbidden word. Where does that idea come from?

Here: CUDA, CUDA, CUDA!

If you go to the official channels and ask about CUDA people like me will likely tell you that CUDA is proprietary software, so we don't cater to it in Guix. If you then acted all offended and angry that would be the end of my interactions with you; otherwise I'd tell you the right venue to ask for help with CUDA without starting a discussion of proprietary software on our main channels.

If that's not good enough for you then we're working on incompatible assumptions of how communities work. If you think you're entitled to discuss whatever you want on the community's channels then you're going to have a bad time. Life must be hard demanding of other people to humor you when they really don't want to.

> Guix puts ideology over the welfare of its users.

No.

light_hue puts ideology over the welfare of the community.

PS: CUDA!

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light_hue_1 1608 days ago
You acknowledge that I'm not allowed to talk about CUDA in the guix community but then are turning it into some sort of game?

This is the childish and dismissive attitude of the guix community.

I'm not replying anymore.

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xxpor 1609 days ago
There's two kinds of projects:

Those who care about ideology

And those that want things to actually work and get stuff done.

The second group is the one that wins all of the users. Of course, there's room for both types of projects in the world. But don't be surprised when people who don't want to waste time on a political discussion that doesn't effect their lives in any way don't want to put up with it.

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rekado 1609 days ago
> But don't be surprised when people who don't want to waste time on a political discussion that doesn't effect their lives in any way don't want to put up with it.

There are no political discussions about the merits of proprietary software on #guix or the Guix mailing lists. It's just not the right venue for that.

So, yeah, I wouldn't want to waste my time on discussions like that, and we effectively don't.

> And those that want things to actually work and get stuff done.

This is a false dichotomy, but if you don't see it this way I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise.

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civodul 1609 days ago
As with Debian, wifi devices are about the only thing you might have "troubles" with when opting for Linux-libre:

https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Hardware-Considerat...

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