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What do you gain from having every single journey in your app and seeing the fuel consumption? Have you ever actually looked at those stats? I think I've never in my life been in a situation where I thought "Dang, I wish I knew how much kilometers my last 18 trips where, if only I had some kind of tracking device that kept these stats for me!"

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>>Have you ever actually looked at those stats?

Literally all the time. It's a PHEV, and maybe not for every journey, but for 8/10 journeys I will look how many kWh of electricity and litres of petrol were consumed, and how many kWh of electricity have been regenerated. When I drive I try to stay in EV mode as long as possible, and regenerate power as much as I can and looking at those stats after every journey gives me a lot of satisfaction. I've driven across Europe last year and it was great to see detailed stats for the entire journey.

It's literally one of my favourite things about this car for me, alongside the ability to pre-heat and pre-cool it remotely.

Edit: also, I don't use it this way, but I know people find the online journal hugely useful for tracking business miles, you can just download an .xml with all trips from the app and that makes it super easy claiming tax/fuel costs back.

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So your argument is "I like to look at it". Which is legitimate, but honestly does not convince me. My car reports stats on my dash, which works for me.

I don't think people need to record trips on non-shared business cars here.

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And if you need that, my -98 Volvo got a little pin on the dash you can press to zero a sub-odometer. It also reset the fuel consumption average. So, ye, no need for spyware.

Google biggest sin is normalizing all these spywares embedded in everything. It is spreading everywhere, even my Samsung TV, and legislators are like 10 years behind were they should have started to "GDPR" everything.

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>>And if you need that, my -98 Volvo got a little pin on the dash you can press to zero a sub-odometer. It also reset the fuel consumption average. So, ye, no need for spyware.

Not sure how this would work in a PHEV where the car is seamlessly switching between EV and ICE running, or in fact compliments ICE with the EV motor. You need the internal reads from the ECU to know exactly how much electricity/petrol was consumed.

You could - of course - provide that without syncing it externally to any servers and then avoid the whole privacy issue.