| Again your missing or avoiding the point. Voter ID in Europe, is entirely different from what is being pushed in the US. The key question is Why is a group pushing for a solution to a problem that isn't happening? There is almost zero voter fraud in this country. And it has been that way for decades. Do you acknowledge this? You can look back at countless research for the elections for 2020, 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004 ... As well as mid-terms. Before discussing what we should do, we must estabilish the facts in common. This has been estabilished time and time and time again in the US over all 50 states, presidential, senatorial elections. There is absolutely miniscule voter fraud - and the very few instances over the past decades. There have been on the order of only 50 fraudulent votes over the past two decades of elections. Yet hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters have been blocked from voting due to the new laws. Then we get to the second question of why is ID being pushed so hard if there is no actual fraud it is preventing? The reason is that it's being intentionally used make it easier and harder for different groups to vote. For example states have allowed gun licenses for voter id, but not college student ID. These two groups traditionally vote for different parties. Or the number of license stations and their are limited in areas that certain groups live to only being open once per month. This is the reason for the push for the Voter ID. It provides a party with an advantage by trimming voter roles by raising the barries to get IDs specifically with groups that vote for one party over the other. There have been less than 50 invalid votes over tens of elections over two decades, while VoterID laws have prevented hundreds of thousands of legitament people from voting. Why are we preventing hundreds of thousands of people with the right to vote from voting, to stop 50 people from voting illegally. It's not to improving election quality, becaues improving election quality would be ensuring those hundreds of thousands with the right to vote can. So blocking that many, to avoid a problem measured in the tens in not about election integrity. It's about favoring one political group over another. And the data strongly backs that up. [And if you have any data showing otherwise, please do share.] Again, when you see a solution to a problem that isn't happening, dig in to see who benfits from that change. This rule applies to life in general. https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-c... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhaustive-fact-check-find... https://www.pnas.org/content/118/45/e2103619118 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/12/07/wiscons... |
How is it different?
> There is almost zero voter fraud in this country.
How can you be sure of this, since successful voter fraud doesn't get detected?
> For example states have allowed gun licenses for voter id, but not college student ID. These two groups traditionally vote for different parties.
Isn't a more reasonable explanation for this that gun licenses are issued by the government, and college student IDs are not?