[pwinnski]

Wise doesn't send physical dollar bills to Argentina, so your reference doesn't apply. Send money via Wise or any other app, and either spend it from there, or withdraw it in pesos. Nothing is lost, and it's as easy, fast, and cheap to use as any crypto-currency solution.

[csdvrx]

Oh yes it does apply: send in crypto, and the locals will get more (blue rate) that many (most!) people will gladly accept instead of pesos!

Nothing is lost to you in either case, but if you send it USD in the official ways, something is lost to those who'll receive less money.

[twelve40]

Once it becomes a serious enough problem for the government, they will just strangle the off-ramps, like it's been done before. So this makes such method of transfer... a temporary hack?

[csdvrx]

> Once it becomes a serious enough problem for the government, they will just strangle the off-ramps, like it's been done before. So this makes such method of transfer... a temporary hack?

Temporary, if you believe it can be strangled.

Given the lack of success of the Argentinian government with the Blue Dollar, my Bayesian prior is that it won't be temporary!

[twelve40]

Also, this makes me wonder. If there is such a massive influx of inbound cryptocurrency transfers, where does the cash for them come from? Surely whoever cashes those transfers out has to sell the cryptocurrency to _someone_? It doesn't sound like it's balanced out by the outbound transfers? Or someone is sitting on a massive pile of fiat and handing it out to hold a massive pile of coins?

[csdvrx]

Take this thought experiment: imagine you're given the opportunity to purchase a crypto like BTC for say 20 grands per BTC. Even if you don't believe in the business model of crypto, you would jump on the purchase (irreversible being a nice feature) then you'll immediately flip it (liquidate it) on the open market, for a nice profit, right?

Now think about the general case: you pay a bit less than the going price in the rest of the world, to take into account the problem of "where the cash come from" (certainly not a difficulty for a country with as large as Argentina, with multiple land borders and sea ports) and price in the cost of solving this problem. Given the right price, you'll find clients, as every trade needs a counterparty, for a mutually beneficial exchange.

And you then have the answer to your question.

[andreskytt]

Basically crypto is a way to scale up illegal financial activity? One trader has a way to get money in nobody asks questions about and is able to capitalize that ability.

[csdvrx]

The laws of Argentina do not matters to us in the US: if some company wants actual dollar bills to distribute them in South America, can prove the source of their funds is trading crypto, and pays for that service, who are we to tell them "no, that's bad, I won't do business with you".

It's a good thing for everyone - including the people in Argentina who get to enjoy the Blue Dollar by receiving more from the remittance.

Check https://www.pymnts.com/news/cross-border-commerce/cross-bord... if you still can't see crypto being useful for remittances.

BTW It's quite frightening to see replies likes yours. Most people here on HN seems to have a blind admiration for governments and laws, with about 0 critical thinking abilities when it comes to policies that are ultimately harmful (for ex, based on what I read here about Wise etc, I'd summarize the default HN position to "let's make our apps obey currency control laws in Argentina, even if it further impoverishes the locals!") until they are ultimately proved pointless (ex: turning back Australia into a prison island to control a virus as contagious as the smallpox... yeah not gonna work, but thanks for demonstrating that)

[jcburnham]

I think many people here simply don't understand how the past century of corrupt governments in Argentina, on both the right and the left, have ruined the economy of that country: https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021-03-05/argentinas-perpetu...

If the people of Argentina can use cryptocurrency to route around the oppressive and unjust laws they suffer under, I say more power to them.