[nulbyte]

> ...there are apps in KaiOS Store...

A phone that can run apps doesn't count as a dumbphone on my book. Do I use the term differently than most people? When I think of dumb phone, I think of the StarTAC, probably because it was my first. The RAZR was dumb, too, in my mind. A modern example for me is the Punkt MP02. It runs Android, technically, but you wouldn't know it, because you can dobmuch with it but, you know, use it as a phone. That's dumb to me, a phone that is a mostly just a phone.

[kalleboo]

The RAZR could run J2ME apps though. At the time there were J2ME Facebook, Twitter, Opera Mini web browser, Google Maps (with street view), tons of games, etc.

When the original iPhone came out and didn’t support apps I (unsuccessfully) argued that that meant it wasn’t a smartphone, and it was even less smart than most dumb phones on the market.

At the time I used Sony Ericsson dumbphones, and they had very rich J2ME support - you could set Java apps as a live wallpaper (which iPhone still doesn't allow), multitask (which took years to get to the iPhone) and all this on very very modest (single-digit MB RAM) dumbphone hardware.

[paxys]

Yeah, this thing supports all popular apps, has Google Assistant, email, cloud sync..

I'd personally define "dumb phone" as one that doesn't use the internet at all, period.

[kreddor]

I agree. I guess if you have all those apps, but can't install any further apps, it's a "feature phone".

[jabbany]

But in this case you can. KaiOS actually has quite the plethora of apps available and because it has a modern browser engine, you can run modern web apps mostly with no problems (besides the limited resolution / memory).