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by korantu 1605 days ago
Interestingly Venezuela is listed as democratic country in this article. I suspect there are a lot of Venezuela people who would disagree with such statement.
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I would argue that Venezuela is not very democratic, now, but Hugo Chavez was originally elected democratically. I suspect this is referring to actions to undermine his government at the time.
Pretty much like Putin or Lukashenka. Both were elected democratically in the first run. The problem is, they stayed in power long after their democratic mandate expired.
Putin's mandate is as solid as ever. You may hate him, but he's still overwhelmingly popular politician in Russia.
That's not how democracy works. Kim Jong-un is extremely popular in North Korea either I guess. Far more popular than Biden is in the US in any case.
Very easy to be popular when you control the media and can just have the opposition poisoned. Stalin was (and to some people still is!) overwhelmingly popular.
Whereas the US has virtually all media under the thumb of 15 billionaire oligarchs and Julian Assange rotting in prison.
Its amazing to me that Americans are so eager to point out Russia's poisoning of dissenters, yet choose to clearly ignore the chemical lobotomy that has been dished out to Assange while he is in one of the Wests' most heinous of all torture chambers.
The people always get the governments they deserve.

Putin hasn't been removed - democratically or by violent coup - simply because he is popular with the people who have chosen to be ruled by him.

This doesn't align with the two minutes hate narrative that the West want to use in order to justify its direct interference in Russian democracy - in a sovereign country - so a lot of noise is made to occlude this fact and justify the usurpation of Russian politics.

The same would be true for US as well - or any country based on how people feel about the party/person in power.
The CIA was involved in the failed 2002 coup attempt in Venezuela when the army took over and dissolved the parliament, temporarily.

In 2018 the CIA was again planning a coup, or disruption at least, revolving around the planned December 2018 elections. The Venezuelans got wind of this and bumped the elections up a few months. The CIA was caught flat footed somewhat, and the December plans went into effect early. The idea floated that the 2018 elections were rigged doesn't really fly. Even Trump didn't like the puppet the US was trying to push as the real head of Venezuela, Guaido. He called him the Beto O'Rourke of Venezuela.

Venezuelan here.

> The CIA was involved in the failed 2002 coup attempt in Venezuela when the army took over and dissolved the parliament, temporarily.

Yes, but half of the country was out in the streets asking for his resignation at the same time, cannot deny that.

> The idea floated that the 2018 elections were rigged doesn't really fly.

Americans like to talk about voter oppression, what about armed guns rolling up to your voting center, firing guns into the air to scare voters away because they were losing or something.

I personally lived through that, cannot tell me it's a CIA psyop.

The VAST majority of people here are against the government, even people who were previously very pro-government, since at least 5 years ago.

Yet they somehow won the last couple elections... no one really believes those results.