[matheusmoreira]

Does it even matter if we read these contracts? No one's going to negotiate terms with the billion dollar company and only lawyers will have a full understanding of the implications of what's written in these things anyway. This last fact alone should be enough to invalidate any consent.

I mean, we're actually talking about "buying" games here. That's how insidious these things are. The few people who read this fine print will know that we're not really "buying" anything, we're being offered extremely limited licenses to the content. Can you blame consumers who fall prey to corporate deception? Marketing leads them to believe they're "buying" stuff. It's not really their fault when they become victims of corporate bullshit like remote content deletion. Nobody should have to consult lawyers before consuming.

Let's summarize all company contracts in an easy to understand manner:

1. We can do whatever we want.

2. You can do nothing we don't want.

3. We own everything.

4. We guarantee nothing.

5. You have no rights.

That does it. That's literally what all these little contracts boil down to. Every single time I read one it's just the above 5 points over and over in mind numbing legal language.

[emteycz]

It matters. You can click decline. If more people read the contracts and clicked decline, perhaps they'd have to change the contract.

[matheusmoreira]

No. Absolutely nothing will change. Declining is not a valid negotiation tactic when you're dealing with literal billion dollar companies. Are you seriously suggesting some company like Amazon is gonna change their terms if we decline them? They couldn't care less about us. Maybe if you're a rich corporation using their services. Sometimes not even then if the horror stories I've read here on HN are to be believed.

Where I live many of these contracts are actually in violation of consumer protection law. I've had actual lawyers tell me I can safely ignore many clauses because they are clearly abusive and judges would strike them down in court. Particularly unacceptable are those that make me give up my rights. Appatently that's a thing in the US, you can just sign away rights such as reverse engineering or even the ability to take companies to court by "agreeing" not to exercise them.

[alpaca128]

If more people did things differently in this fashion the world would be a very different place. Too bad this doesn't happen and the users who actually decline make up less than 0.01%, probably below any error margin.

People just don't care until they personally get a kick in their face. We all know that and companies bet on it.

[lodovic]

I don't assume that companies track how many people reject their TOS, since they are not users of their product.

[emteycz]

Of course they do track, with their profits (and conversion rates).