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by osobo 1613 days ago
I'm looking into making a house sustainable right now and the windows are actually a point of contention. One side thinks super-high insulated (triple pane) windows are a waste of money, the other swears by them. Assuming the frame doesn't leak, does triple really make that much of a difference?
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As others have said, solutions depend on your climate, and especially on whether you principally have heating or cooling loads.

For cold climates, designers such as Thorstein Chlupp (Rienna LLC, in Fairbanks, AK) rely on triple-paned high emissivity windows for solar gain, and external thermal shutters at night to reduce radiative loss.

For warm climates, you'll want low emissivity glazing, as well as awnings or landscaping which block direct summer sun while admitting light. For winter time, you can probably get by with internal thermal curtains in winter, though an external storm glazing or shutter may also be helpful.

Having windows face the equator (that is, south-facing in the northern hemisphere, north-facing south of the equator) will increase light and decrease heat loss. Glazing on the pole-side of your home is generally reduced, and in sufficiently cold climates, eliminated.

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Yes. Makes measurable difference. Especially big picture windows. Other things to consider: is the type of glass. In places like Arizona you may not want sunlight to get through, but further north, the sun can provide a great deal of heat. So you want transmissivity. To stop that in the summer, you have a overhang roof, far enough out, to block sun in summer but not winter. Also, be smart installing the window, to prevent leakage around the frame, lots of good tricks there. For example- Avoid tightness of frame.
You must also be careful on how you mount the windows. Have a look at the german standard called "RAL montage" to see that you need an inner and outer membrane and then have a look on where to mount the window inside the wall.. the best solution is to mount it outside the wall in the insulation, the second best solution is to align it at the face of the wall.
Generaly speaking, yes, BUT the design needs to be taken into account.

A window (good as it might be) is "worse" than walls (besides being much more costly), the modern design trends are for extremely huge windows, that (whilst they give much more light, which expecially in northern climates is a wanted feature) are a problem, from a thermal viewpoint.

The typical size of windows in "normal" houses varies (depending on countries) like 1/8 to 1/12 of area of the floor of the room they are in, modern designs can be often 1/5 or 1/6, it is clear that the less amount of window surface you have the less relevant are its characteristics, and you have to consider also the effect of shutters or similar.

This depends on your house - heat tends to leak out through the lowest path of resistance so if you have a well-insulated house with leaky window, it would certainly be the case but without considering what the rest of the house is like, it would be impossible to tell how much they would help.
Heat leaks out through all path of resistance not just the lowest. (The lowest might dominate though if it is orders of magnitude lower than the second lowest)
Depends on your climate and the heat differential between inside and outside. Triple glazing is effectively double the R-value of double glazing, so in a cold climate yeah..
In the house I'm living in, which was built in a transition point between making sure houses don't leak and the realization that you then need active ventilation, I have the problem that the windows are not insulating enough, so I end up with water condense on the inside when it's freezing outside. If you are going to replace the windows, I would definitely buy triple-paned, unless you only have a small temperature difference.
Windows have a U or R value like insulation, so you can use that to compare.

We are currently building a house and the triple glazed windows we chose have a U value of 0.9. The same manufacturer also makes double glazed windows which have a U value of 1.3.

I’ve not had a chance to test it in summer yet but it’s still cold to the touch even in the evening sun so I guess that’s a good sign?

I went with Low E specifically because I’d rather be cold than hot and wanted to block out the scorch from the evening sun.

For us it did. Estimated 2 degree Celsius on the inside during winter already make a big difference in comfort and how you will use the space in front of the windows.

Windows, walls, ceilings and so on have to match of course, our house is overall well insulated.

yes, it's like wearing a sweater vs. wearing two sweaters
Get yourself a FLIR (the phone attached ones are not that expensive) and check for yourself. It is a great tool.
they are worth it in cold climates if you use fixed or very fancy casement windows with maintained seals. Double-hung will just leak around frames and sides.

Also ensure you use a good brand which will be around when you need a replacement and hope to get an actual match.

They can be a dream in terms of noise blocking as well.