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by SavantIdiot 1607 days ago
All I want to know is: will the annoying guy at my gym who put brags about putting all of his retirement into Bitcoin this summer provide me with some decent schadenfreude at some point?
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If I knew that I’d be trading it :)

But there’s a fairly active BTC derivatives market (depending on what passport you carry), so you could hedge against him getting/staying rich by getting a little creative with long-dated DOOM stuff.

Depends on how annoying he is I guess ;)

Looming rate hikes combined with ever increasing correlation of Bitcoin to equities suggests you may even get your day this year.
It's sad to see people genuinely wanting to watch others lose wealth so they can relish in it.
It's always jealousy. People see someone they view as "undeserving" doing better than themselves and react with hatred.
This. A lot of comments in here spewing hatred toward crypto seem to come from a psychological defense mechanism. People were wrong and decided not to move to crypto and are now doubling down on that position to feel better about their poor choices.
It doesn’t seem obvious that people who didn’t put money into cryptocurrencies were wrong. Even if you happened to through sheer luck buy low, sell high during one of the pops, that doesn’t mean everyone else was wrong any more than saying someone else was wrong for not playing roulette and selecting the right ending slot.
Your “buy low sell high” take is pretty short-sighted. For many, it’s a change in currency from fiat to digital. You on-ramp in but you don’t back out into fiat.

You're speaking about a subset of crypto traders that go right back to fiat.

I just want this environmental disaster to end.

If they'd just outlaw proof-of-work cryptocurrencies, I'd shut up and you can continue gambling your proof-of-stake digital chuck-e-cheese tokens to your heart's content.

But you're wasting more power than Argentina to do it. So yes, I hate this garbage and want it to fail.

I wonder how much energy YouTube or Facebook use compared to Bitcoin?

We could argue that Facebook and YouTube are only providing entertainment value. They don't do anything especially novel or provide critical infrastructure.

Rockets that deliver payloads into space are INCREDIBLY bad for the environment. But it provides critical services and infrastructure for now and the future.

Bitcoin provides a novel, decentralised, secure, electronic digital currency. It's being used for that purpose currently.

The FUD is unreal. We accept that certain use cases can persist and use tonnes of energy, but others we think is a crime against humanity.

Use of energy should not be a measure of shame on its own. What use case is it providing now and in the future for that energy usage?

The future will require a lot more energy for things we don't even know about yet. We need to ensure reliable renewable energy will provide for us now and in the future. We should not shut down new technologies just because it uses a lot of energy. When energy is cheap and clean and plentiful, we shouldn't worry about using it.

Nuclear Fusion reactor technology currently uses much more energy than it provides in output. But when that technology is viable it will help us to produce reliable and clean energy. Should we outlaw nuclear fusion because it uses shitloads of energy for no benefit (currently)?

Please educate yourself: PoW cryptocurrency is a red queen's race that is deliberately inefficient. I can't think of any other technology that continuously and deliberately wastes more and more energy. The only analogy I can even think of might be a nuclear arms' race: you have to keep building more and more missiles or there's a risk your enemy might get the jump on you.

Any engineer worthy of the title should be appalled by this inept and abusive design.

You're not wrong but there's plenty of contemptuous cryptobros who got wealthy via luck and won't admit it.
How exactly is it luck to recognize the value in crypto and buy a bunch? Because that's not exactly luck. That's recognizing value and managing risk successfully.

It's true that some people just FOMO into anything going up. But those types will end up losing all their "gains" in due time anyways.

> How exactly is it luck to recognize the value in crypto and buy a bunch? Because that's not exactly luck.

that's what luck is - they didn't recognize the value, but speculated on the potential value when it originally was valueless.

It could've crashed and burned, and it was luck that it didn't.

It's like seeing a lotto ticket, and claiming that you recognized the value of it (after the ticket has been shown to be a winning one).

Come off it. Everyone loves to watch a loudmouth fail [1], regardless of what they are bragging about.

[1] Except maybe Buddhists and the elderly.

Trying to spot the biggest fool is quite entertaining
What if the biggest fool is you? That would be quite the karma.
Then I would be the biggest fool. But i'm not sure your hypothesis will withstand occams razor.
Wouldn’t Occam’s razor favor bitcoin over the usd in the long run?

Bitcoin monetary policy is dead simple and sound. USD not so much.

I can’t think of any advantage to usd unless you consider having physical money an advantage (eg paper bills and coins)

If he put it in in June when it was 31k, he'd have increased it 30% now, double if he sold in November. Not too bad
And if he'd bought last March he'd be down 30%. Bitcoin didn't have a stellar 2021.
I wouldn't count "March" as summer
A watched pot never boils.