[pid-1]

I distro hop with my home laptops and use Windows at $JOB

I've decided to install Windows 11 preview around June 2021 and have been using it ever since, so I could eventually help my coworkers, validate our workflows etc...

I am curious on why people in HN dislike Win 11 so much. For me the upgrade was basically about minor UI changes, which I got used to in 1-2 weeks. I am a sysadmin / cloud whatever and it broke none of my stuff, I use the same workflows I used in Win 10.

We still haven't migrated our users to Win 11 out of pragmatism , but honestly there is nothing I hate about it. Maybe my expectations for MS are too low already, IDK.

[alexvoda]

The UI changes are very disruptive to other people. As an example, think all the people who for decades placed the taskbar on the side.

Also, the bullshit minimum requirements are obviously about pushing DRM.

[meowkit]

Minimum requirements were about pushing TPM (massive boost to chain of trust and security based on internal metrics) and hardware sales.

Source: I’m an insider.

[temac]

Not much hardware sales as OEM licenses sales from MS point of view. The problem is that by doing so they redefined "forever" to only mean 6 years for them, and did that at a time when the hardware started to progress again + in a middle of chips shortage. So I actually highly doubt they will get more sales for it - while they get a bad reputation and fork their user base (+ it is actually nearly impossible to actually use the extra req they pushed before at least years, and they could have obtained the same effect for new hardware through reqs of the Windows logo)

Edit: And don't even get me started about trying to incite people to replace perfetcly good computers with new ones at a time we should avoid wasting resources before all.

I would love to see something I missed showing that it is actually a good idea, but for now however I take it it seems a terrible move.

[rstat1]

The minimum requirements were/are about pushing new HW sales and nothing else.

A large portion of devices that were arbitrarily blocked, had no issues running the previews even with all the new security stuff. And on top of that none of the supposedly "new" security stuff is actually new. Its all been in Windows 10 for a while.

[snarfy]

Shell extensions are hidden under an additional click. Shell extensions have been a part of windows since at least windows 95.

Right click -> "Open with 7-Zip" is no longer an option. Now it's right click -> more options -> "Open with 7-Zip". It's stupid.

[sgerenser]

Annoying, but can apparently be fixed with a registry setting: https://www.elevenforum.com/t/disable-show-more-options-cont...

[munchbunny]

That reminds me, one small thing they changed that disproportionately annoys me. They moved copy/cut/paste in the right click menu from near the middle as three textual menu items to a single row of icon buttons at the bottom of the menu. Took me several minutes to figure out that’s what they did.

Why do that? It makes a smaller click/tap target for touchscreens, it’s genuinely hard to find and hides the discoverability of the keyboard shortcut, it’s inconsistent with in-app right click menu patterns, and it’s just inane for how many other little details could have been fixed instead.

[zalebz]

Fortunately, there is a registry setting to fix this nonsense.

Unfortunately, I'm a side-taskbar user and there is no equivalent registry fix. I had to pay for a 3rd party tool.

[als0]

People hate Windows 11 because Microsoft have decided that most hardware, including many powerful workstations, are not eligible to upgrade.

[pid-1]

I will have to agree that's by far the most legit reason to hate Win 11.

[blondin]

it was such a relief when i got the notification that my laptop was not eligible for a Windows 11 upgrade.

for a long time i have been debating whether i should try a MacBook M1 for my hobby projects or not. i don't use Windows for anything else. and migrating my projects would be a pain, but not a huge one.

they made the decision for me. (and other people like me, who had only one or two reasons to remain on Windows.)

[mavhc]

Yet if you do install Windows 11 on said hardware, it gives no warning that it's "unsupported"