[SuoDuanDao]

There seems to definitely be some astroturfing going on with respect to anti-work, pro-union sentiment, and I agree it seems to have found Hackernews recently, from my perspective it looks like a sudden influx.

That said, I agree with at least the headline in your second point - making any kind of positive change requires accepting the current state of affairs as it is first. I've found that the phases in my life where I feel content and not constantly needing to 'change' were actually those times where I was able to most consolidate the gains I was struggling towards the rest of the time. I think it might have something to do with not being in crisis management mode that allows the mind to relax into new configurations. Of course, YMMV.

[yesenadam]

From the guidelines: "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email [e-mail] and we'll look at the data."

[SuoDuanDao]

My bad, I'll word that kind of sentiment differently in the future.

[yesenadam]

Thanks..but don't just "word it differently"—don't word it at all. Instead, if you believe some comments are astroturfing, please write to HN with the specific details, as (hopefully) no-one here wants that, but only the mod(s) can and will do something about it.

[thefrozenone]

Astroturf? Which powerful interest in the world right now wants people to work less?

[dnissley]

Maybe people forgot, but we live in the age of the internet, where it only takes a small group of enterprising individuals to astroturf. No elite involvement required.

[dymk]

Or maybe a lot of people sympathize with the idea and post about it now

[DarylZero]

I thought they were talking about anti-antiwork astroturfers. Which would have actually made sense.

[AussieWog93]

> Astroturf? Which powerful interest in the world right now wants people to work less?

The CCP. Xi Jinping absolutely stands to benefit domestically from discord being sown in the West, especially if it's of a Marxist nature and broadly in agreement with the doctrine of Common Prosperity.

(Not actually accusing anyone of anything - there's no way their propaganda department could be this competent - just answering the question directly).

[Apocryphon]

China’s got their own equivalent movement to deal with:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29372166

Of course, you could claim both nations’ intelligence services are engaged in a game of rival psyops, but stories like this would seem to indicate there’s worker discontent that crosses borders.

[AussieWog93]

>stories like this would seem to indicate there’s worker discontent that crosses borders

100%, man.

My point wasn't that "China's probably doing this"; just that there are other powerful interests outside of corporate lobbyists that have very different goals.

I can't see a mix of obscene inflation (mainly in rent/real estate prices), a culture of conspicuous consumption and a WW1-style class divide where competent working class people are bossed around by the reject offspring of the upper 20% leading to anything more than mass discontent.

[Apocryphon]

Anti-work and pro-union are orthogonal, and there has been restive pro-union sentiment on this forum for years. It has not really increased during this time, even though the present moment (a local maxima of labor demand) would be a prime time to start organizing.