[eukgoekoko]

You have claimed that "Gorbachev has publicly admitted he has no memory of it". This record of preliminary talks with Baker published by Gorbachev Foundation proves the opposite. There's no question this document has no legal bearing, but it's definitely more than just an allegation to say the US have fooled poor Gorbi.

[JumpCrisscross]

> This record of preliminary talks with Baker published by Gorbachev Foundation proves the opposite

The idea was discussed. Nobody disputes that. Gorbachev disputes there was agreement. A position the transcript supports.

It’s like if two people are negotiating a price; one says 5, the other acknowledges hearing five and proposes 3, and then they trade at 4. Twenty years later, one of their daughters calls foul because the buyer acknowledged hearing 5 but only paid 4. That is the imbecilic position this argument takes.

[eukgoekoko]

You're still missing my point: your claim about Gorbachov having no memories of NATO borders negotioations is false, the sole purpose of my comment was to debunk it. There's one thing I can agree with you though: this argument had really taken imbecilic position.

[JumpCrisscross]

> your claim about Gorbachov having no memories of NATO borders

No memory of an agreement, not of a discussion. Putin claims agreement. That is false.