[joshgrib]

I think this is overlooking the main argument - having someone waste time by getting their own food/shelter isn't really any better than having them waste time doing a job to get money for food/shelter. We would likely be better off not wasting people's time and just giving them food/shelter so they are free to figure out how to best use that time

[giantg2]

Giving someone food and shelter implies that someone else must work to provide that. Food doesn't materialize like it does on Star Trek.

[jstx1]

> having someone waste time by getting their own food/shelter isn't really any better than having them waste time doing a job to get money for food/shelter

The latter isn't waste on the whole - somebody is getting a service in return. Then there's a separate question of what the worker is getting (for work that is meaningful to them and for work that isn't); that's one of the topics of the original post.

[nradov]

No thanks. I am unwilling to provide free food and shelter to random people who are capable of working but choose not to. Their survival is not my concern.